baxter

Is it true what I am seeing on the news about schools permitting students to carry weapons in their schools?(!)And some schools were even forcing students to bring a gun!

Does anyone here have any clarifications to give?

Does anyone approve of these measures?

Why is it that after so many awful things have happened in schools and other public places, there still aren't any serious laws to stop people from having weapons?

The common argument is that the 2nd Amendment gives every American the right to "bare arms" but, firstly we aren't in the same time period (far from it!). At the time there wasn't really an established Army, there was a "Militia". But we don't need this militia now. Secondly, at the time, weapons could fire about 2 rounds a minute. Nowadays, some guns can shoot hundreds a minute.

And what exactly is the significance of "well regulated"? Well armed or well checked on to see no bad people had weapons?

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FRYandBENDER

Are you talking about highschools or colleges? I don't think it would be too bad an idea to let people with concealment liscenses to carry in colleges. The type of people who make the effort to purchase and carry guns legally usually respect hand guns, take the time to learn to use them properly, and would only use them for personal protection. We've already seen that you can not count on the police to always be there and I damn sure don't think we can count on the federal government to do anything about protecting us.

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perdidochas

I heard a recent thing that Utah is allowing (not requiring) teachers (not students) to carry guns in school. I don't know what kind of crazy news you watch, but that's all that I've heard.

I have no problems with armed teachers. If you can trust someone with a student's mind and future, why not trust them with their bodies as well? Also, teachers already go through criminal background checks in most schools.

Well, it was against the law to have a gun on the Virginia Tech Campus. That helped a lot.

There are over 200 million guns in America. The great majority of those harm no one. I have half a dozen guns of my own, and have owned one of them since I was 14, I am now 41. Guess what? My guns have been involved in no "awful" incidents.


Using that argument, no religion that was invented since the Bill of Rights should be allowed (let's ban Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and Scientologists today, after all the Founders never would have anticipated them), nor should freedom of speech apply to computers/telephones/copy machines. etc. Lets let the government regulate the content of the Internet--after all, the founders never anticipated it. Who could imagine a technology that would allow someone in their bathrobe in Florida to discuss topics with soccer louts from Birmingham, England? (My point, the unanticipated technology argument is a lame one)

Also, we need militias. New Orleans is a good example. Many neighborhoods in New Orleans had militias that sprung up just after Katrina. They kept looters out of their neighborhoods. I was in an informal militia here in Pensacola after Hurricane Ivan. We kept looters out of our neighborhood. In the case of Pensacola, nobody in the neighborhood had a phone or even cell phone that worked (we had to drive about 3 miles to get to a place that had cell phone reception, post-hurricane).

Well equipped. It is impossible to keep bad people from having weapons. The better choice is to allow armed citizens (citizens with concealed weapons permits in Florida are involved in LESS gun crime than POLICE officers in Florida), and lock prisoners up for life for any gun offense.

perdidochas

Interestingly, in Florida, Concealed Carry Permit owners have been involved in less gun crime than policemen.....

Izzibeth

Yeah, I was going to say... maybe some teachers in college are going to school armed.. but students? That is a bad idea. Just a flat-out horrible idea.

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perdidochas

I used to go to class with an armed student. I actually felt better in the parking lot when I knew he went to class. Now, he was a campus police officer, taking courses at night, but still, I see no problem with students that are legally allowed to have concealed weapons permits carrying guns.

Oedipus Rex

As long as the person is at least 18 years of age, who cares if he/she is armed? I certainly don't.

Izzibeth

Well, I guess I will remain in the minority as a person who would not feel safer if I knew that a bunch of the students in the class were packin'. Luckily I only go to school very part-time so it's not anything I feel I have to worry about.

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perdidochas

Have you ever been around people with the legal right to carry concealed? I've never met a CWP holder that I wished didn't own a gun. They are different than the general public.

Izzibeth

I'm not saying they aren't. I'm just saying if I knew that a bunch of students were carrying concealed weapons to class then I would not feel safe. If they want to do it, fine. I would just definitely not be sitting comfortable in the classroom with that knowledge.

But again. I take one class a semester (and have one more class left) with a bunch of Asian Language majors. If there is any class you should rest assured that no one has a gun in their pants... it's that class. Although sometimes listening to them talk about Naruto and Ranma 1/2 for the hour you're in the class can feel as deadly as a bullet.

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