Partial birth abortion. How the hell did I beat everyone to this? - Political Forum

FRYandBENDER · 04-19-2007, 09:39 PM

Well it seems that the supreme court has outlawed partial birth abortions. Woo Hoo. If Bush hasn't been good for anything else, at least he appointed some supreme court justices with some common decency. Don't get me wrong, while I'm not at all a supporter of abortion, I'm not going to march against it or petition to have Roe v. Wade overturned. But even the most die hard pro choice fanatic has to admit that scrambling a baby's brain and then yanking out whats left is butchery.

Can anyone tell me how this is supposed to be progressive?

Do you support this decision on partial birth abortions?

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-19-2007, 09:42 PM

I am against partial birth abortions. This is one of the things I agree with conservatives on.

FRYandBENDER · 04-19-2007, 09:42 PM

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Updated: 5:41 p.m. ET April 18, 2007

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court's conservative majority upheld a nationwide ban Wednesday on a controversial abortion procedure in a decision that sets the stage for additional restrictions on a woman's right to choose.

For the first time since the court established a woman's right to an abortion in 1973, the justices said the Constitution permits a nationwide prohibition on a specific abortion method. The court's liberal justices, in dissent, said the ruling chips away at abortion rights.

The 5-4 decision written by Justice Anthony Kennedy said the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act that Congress passed and President Bush signed into law in 2003 does not violate a woman's constitutional right to an abortion.

Top court upholds abortion ban - Politics - MSNBC.com

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-19-2007, 09:43 PM

What is considered "partial birth" legally? How old would the fetus to be to be considered partially born?

FRYandBENDER · 04-19-2007, 09:45 PM

I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that I read that untill this ruling was made, as long as the baby had not been birthed they would still do the procedure.

Ever hear of Tiller the baby killer?

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-19-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that I read that untill this ruling was made, as long as the baby had not been birthed they would still do the procedure.

Ever hear of Tiller the baby killer?

No, but when I was in Washington DC a long time ago, I saw some rather unpleasant pictures of partially aborted fetuses (on the sides of trucks parked outside the White House) which I won't get into. Who is he?

FRYandBENDER · 04-19-2007, 09:53 PM

He's an abortion doctor in either Colorado (I'm pretty sure) or Kansas. He basically didn't care how old the baby was. I saw an episode of Oreilly where he had a girl who had a partial birth abortion by Tiller. She said that they basically ripped the baby out of her and threw it into a bowl. She said she didn't see what happened to it after that but it is assumed that it was thrown away. I tried to do a search for news stories, but all I got were a bunch of anti tiller websites. Oreilly has been on this guys ass for a while.

I am anxious to see if anyone is in favor of partial birth abortions.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 04-19-2007, 10:07 PM

Well, personally I think that the nation needs compromise. I cannot say if I would be man enough to sacrifice my career to raise a child I did not plan for. I have not been put in that situation, but that does not mean I should assume that I would make that sacrifice, nor should other people.

So, I think we need some kind of reasonable compromise. Also, there's a lot of people (probably most) who are in favor of abortion, so it's just democratic to compromise in that situation. I'd say that within the first month or two should be the window for an abortion.

With regards to O'Reilly, I think that David Letterman did call his number, when he said that O'Reilly finds cases in the middle of Asscrack, Arkansas and acts as though this sort of thing happens all the time. Just something I think about.

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FRYandBENDER · 04-19-2007, 10:17 PM

Maybe, but Letterman did admit to having never watched his show.

As far as the compromise, well that is pretty much how I feel. I've come to the conclusion that it is a little too much to expect everyone to conduct themselves in a responsible manner. I think that if they can do it before there is a heartbeat that would be a reasonable compromise, after that I think it would be nice, and decent, of them to put the child up for adoption, or live with their decisions and take responsibility for the child. But like I said, I'm no activist on the topic. I am glad about this ruling though.

Izzibeth · 04-20-2007, 07:57 AM

Sorry, guys. I have to disagree. There is no such thing as a "partial birth abortion". That is a made-up term.

Although I will say that up until a few days ago I was pretty much on-the-fence, leaning towards "no" on late term abortion procedures... I have changed my mind. Basically because I did a little bit more research into what this ban has done, and realized that I have been pretty naive about the whole thing. It's not as simple as they make it sound.

Please do read the following story. It has some statistics and little bit more information about late term abortions and what they entail. It may not change your mind... however, it might give you a little bit more insight as to what actually happens in a late term abortion, the reasons why it may happen (I would like to remind you that this ban does not allow exceptions for the health of the mother), and the statistical information regarding it. It's not a boring story. So, please read.

One Woman's Late Term Abortion Story