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Originally Posted by neorealist234
I saw this on HBO last night...it was OK.
i still don't think emotional stress is torture...a lot of the "torture" doesn't seem like wrong to me. Some of it yes...the sodomy, sexual position (with men on men)...thats wrong ALL the time, but the lack of sleep and the threat of physical harm isn't torutre to me.
The one thing I took from this movie was....
SUPERVISE your enlisted men....b/c sometimes, they are stupid and have poor judgement, like taking pictures with dead bodies and such...and even smiling giving a thumbs up sign  What dumb women that was She had no business being in the miltary. |
Was it also okay when the interrogators showed the inmates faked video and picture "profs" that they claimed showed the inmate at a OSB ralley in August 2000?
And then the inmate tells them "Bullshit". And they continue to claim it just to hear from the inmate, "Bullshit, I had to look by all the time in August at the police for a minor crime. Call the British police, they can proove it"
And the interrogater continues like if the inmate would have talked about the nice weather: "We see you clearly on the picture" (a blurred picture where you saw not much at all). Just adding that it might have been September not August. The response of the inmate: "Fuck of, the british police registred my presence for the whole year 2000". That did not impress the interogator who continued...
Ok one time I would have said, it was worth a trial, but those American interrogators continued this tactic countless times afterwards still.
Tell me the purpose of this? Who did the tried to fool? This inmate had an 100% water proof undoubtable alibi. There is no better alibi, except sitting in jail. If the Americans were not total dumbasses they called the british police in the meanwhile and new the alibi was watertight, that the accusations were totally unholdable. They knew, the inmate knew it. Why the hell did they continue to claim it? Did they try to lie at themselves? Their superiors?
There is no doubt, the Americans had to come pretty soon to the conclusion that this man was innocent. There was not the slightest factual proof nor anything else for him to have any contact to the Talibans or OSB or terrorists.
Still they preferred to cause as much psychological and physical pain (sit for hours in a way with your hands boun down at your feet, having no toilet, while being torpedoed with extremely loud heavy metal music and a lighting disco light show. Unable to close your ears...) as you need him to admit everything you say him he has to admit.
Do you think that was for fun that he did admit being a fighter? How much does it need to force another person to betray his own principles and lie just to stop the treatment he is subject of?
I call it torture. As this is the very description of torture. To use pain in order to make the victim willingless. To break it with pain.
Ok, so what was it all about?
The US captured an innocent and what did it to? Releasing him after realizing the error? After a hell of a time when it was already clear for months, they did it? Did they admit the error? No, not even until today. Nor did they excuse for anything they did. For nothing.
Today still 500 people are held in Gitmo. In all those endless long years, the US was unable to make a trial to 490 of them. Only 10 trials, and 0 convictions of anything.
I heard once an American laywer who said also delayed right is deprived right. Thats exactly what it is. You keep 500 people already for 5 years or longer now, and still claim the right to keep them until they rot, with no need to legitimize for anything. Depriving them from most basic human rights, like the one of a fair trial.
You perverted the law by claiming "guilty even if proven innocent"
And still some people see no problem with the erosion of the rule of law your administration and its employees should be forced to follow?
And your administration still has the guts to talk about "human rights"? That makes me sick...
As long as the US runs Gitmo and Co, it hardly qualifies for being civilized outside of its borders.
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