Without bringing up my opinion on the term 'lifestyle', I don't agree that homosexuality can be destroyed. But, that is because I do not believe that it is a choice or can be changed.

What were the changes in society's treatment of homosexuality were you talking about?

I'm sorry. But, technically, I didn't ask. I just said I would be interested.

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That's bull. You asked by saying you were interested. Since we're now arguing about whether or not you asked me to reply to a post that I already said I wasn't going to and re-iterated that I wasn't going to, I will now devote 100% of my response to this point. Since it's so important to keep arguing about this, I'll give it 100% of my attention over anything else you say.

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[quote]What I said was taken directly out of actual studies that I have read. I don't know about you but for me paraphrasing and speculating are two separate things.

At any rate I know nothing about homosexual sex among prisoners outside of what has been said in Hollywood television and the link Ummwhat provided which you dismissed. I simply don't know enough about the topic to comment on it and I did not criticize you for your own speculations, you criticized me for supposedly speculating about gays in the bedroom, but not in prisons remember?

In the end it doesn't matter if I was speculating or not. I did not say anything was wrong with your speculations, however I prefer to know something about the topic before I discuss.

Your belief does not account for the physiological changes I mentioned, the only way they could be accurate about most gays is if people's voluntary (such as having gay sex as you believe) behavior caused these physiological differences which is what I was saying. If this behavior does not not affect one's physiology in this manner then your opinion is false. It is as simple as that. I will not explain myself again. You can either except my explanation or not.

Hormones could be another explanation. Hormones can affect the body and mind without the genes being different. Growth hormones in particular come to mind.

I took a more indepth look at the study and it's focus is clearly not on the sexual orientation of gays, but it does find it's way into the report. Either way it is just one of many.

No when I copied my post to point out that I never said homosexuality was genetic it got mixed up with that comment. I highlighted it and explained in my edit that it made its way in there however I did not immediately notice it so I just highlighted rather then change then remove it from the post as it would make it look like I edited the whole thing. I just wanted everyone to know that that was not part of my original comment. If I was being intentionally deceptive I wouldn't have that comment stick out. In other words it was supposed to be in my last comment.

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True. I was just pointing out a technicallity.

I am interested, and I just assumed(obviously incorrectly) that you were put off by Ummwhat, and refused to respond because it was he who asked. I asked on the off-chance that you would answer if it was somebody else asking, as I would have in your situation(for that matter, I would have answered Ummwhat anyways).

I already said you didn't have to answer. It's no big deal, so I have no idea why you want to make it one. As I said above, I admit to asking the question.

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A moment ago you said that it was not about power or control. Dominance is about control over another.

Many studies show that rape is more about control over the victim than sexual gratification.

No two things are the same. But you eluded to, gay sex in prison is no different than gay sex in society.

Actually I did. As the DOJ link showed, a majority of the sex that took place in prisons is not consensual, it backs my stance. I do have to apologize for not providing a specific quote. I was at work and had other things going on, and assumed that only providing a link would be seen as picking and choosing.



Thank you. I hoped that you would bring that up.


Both your source, and my source state that a minimal number of the sex that takes place in prisons is consensual. Therefor making a broad generalization is not factual.

If I broke any forum rules then I apologize. I said what I said out of friendly advise as I do respect you for what you have done for me in the past.

So, in so far we have established that a majority of sex in prison is about dominance as opposed to sexual gratification.

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Let's keep arguing about why I will not answer the post from the banned poster. We need more argument on that. More analysis too.

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Sir. Would you answer that question if a poster that was not banned asked it?

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OK, so we can agree then that according to the dictionary definition of the word speculate, that you have been speculating on homosexuality. I think think that aside from a strict definition, your comments here are speculation on a less strict definition as well. Unless there is a consensus among scientists what the biological/environmental nature of homosexuality is, and you know and are regurgitating that consensus, then you are speculating on homosexuality.

Wrong on several accounts. I said it was hypocritical how you implicitly criticized me for speculating on homosexuality in prison while you then proceeded to speculate on homosexuality in general. That's hypocrisy, remember? It's also dishonest for you to mischaracterize my comments on Umm's link. I did not dismiss it. Prove that I dismissed it. I observed that he provided no quotes from his link that reinforced his point. If you believe differently, then elaborate on how he demonstrated his point with his link.

You implied that it was weird to speculate on homosexuality on jail, while at the same time you proceeded to speculate on homosexuality in general. That's hypocritical.

The basis for your claims of physiological changes in one of your links was based upon rats and quails, not human beings. That's not evidence of human physiological changes. Nor were the findings of the link I mentioned conclusive. I reject both your source, and your explanations about your source.

This does not explain why some people would theoretically have different hormone production than others.

OK, so the one link out of your list that I focused on, you fail to defend. OK, well if you're just going to go for a quantity over quality argument, I can just pull out random studies that hold the opposite opinion as you do:

http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
"Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Head of The Human Genome Project
AGLP Fact Sheets
PsycNET
Homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The A.P.A. Normalization of Homosexuality, and the Research Study of Irving Bieber
The Fading "Gay Gene"
Morphometric analysis of the human corpus callosum...[Hum Neurobiol. 1988] - PubMed Result
Psychodynamic psychiatry in the "decade of the brain" -- Gabbard 149 (8): 991 -- Am J Psychiatry
Transduction of psychosocial stress into the neurobiology of recurrent affective disorder -- Post 149 (8): 999 -- Am J Psychiatry

http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
OK, so either way, the proof that homosexuality is based upon environmental factors is "just one of many."

That's a weird thing to do. I don't know why you would add something in to a later post and give the impression that you were saying something that you never said. I would just say it the next time.


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Well the important thing here is that we have more debate about whether or not I will reply to a post from a banned poster that I said I would not. So we've got to have more debate on that. I'll tell you what: if you and swialiberal debate out the pro's and the con's of me answering that question, and one of your provides a 5 paragraph argument in favor of me answering it and the other one provides a 5 paragraph argument against me answering it, then I'll answer it.


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Or, we could all just grow up and move on.

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