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Imho, I think there are two different types of behaivor at play here.
I think you are right, WEB, in that anyone can
participate in any type of sexual behavior. But to me, there is a big difference in choosing a behavior in a hostile enviroment than in choosing a behavior in a free enviroment.
Again, it goes back to the feelings behind the behavior.
I would imagine there are plenty of prisoners who particpate in homosexual behavior in prison who never did before and never do again.
As to whether it is natural or learned, I suspect it would depend on how they lived their life outside of prison.

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That's rather pitiful as my remarks are plainly obvious. I'm saying:

(1) It's dishonest to complain about how one person is not responding fast enough to your comments, when that person is replying to 5 or so people at the same time and

(2) I am going to take a pause in replying to remarks because it takes me several times longer to reply to 5 people than it takes you or other people to reply to one person and that's it's really petty and dishonest not to realize that.

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Understood. In that case I apologize. My bad, and thanks.

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I disagree. Rape occurs in jail because the rapist enjoys gay sex AND is trying to assert dominance. You're not getting your dick up unless you are enjoying what you are doing.

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You are arguing a strawman, as you are arguing against a position that I am not holding. Prison sex and free sex are not the same. No sex is the same. Nothing is the same: NOTHING. Two screws produced in the same factory are not the same. There are molecular imperfections that make them different. However, the differences you point out are irrelevant to my point, as I have repeatedly told you.

You have not shown that the DOJ says different. You dropped a 37 page document on my desk without specific referral to where your source supports your position.

Your source is based off a human rights watch report. Here is a relevant section from that report:

No Escape: Male Rape in U.S. Prisons
The source is concerned almost exclusively or nearly exclusively about rape, and non-consensual sex. So it doesn't speak to consensual sex. To use an analogy, your method of debate here is to argue that all cops are bad and to only use data of police brutality. You've simply limited your data to data that could only support your position, and that is not valid support for your position.

You sir need to abide by the forum rules and exercise some civility if you wish to post. Your unsolicited and disingenuous personal advice is not permitted, nor does it have any class.


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Normally, I would, but I take exception to the lack of civility in your remarks, and so I decline to respond to the banned poster's comment, which you request.

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You speculate about homosexuality in the very post where you ask where you are speculating about them. As you said: "In fact I specifically said that there was no proof that that it is genetic, environmental or hormonal."

That is a speculation. Even if it were just stating the facts it's still speculating, because you would be talking about and speculating on homosexuality. The primary definition of speculate is: " to engage in thought or reflection; meditate (often fol. by on, upon, or a clause)." You have engaged in thought or reflection about homosexuality and have thereby speculated on it. It was disingenuous how you made it seem like it was strange how I would speculate about homosexuality in jails, while at the same time you speculate about homosexuality in general. That's hypocrisy.

No, I do not misunderstand, you mischaracterize my remarks. You told me how my argument is laid out and you said that I was doing it in a way in which I am not actually arguing. You said:

"If your opinion holds true then that would mean a person's body can literally change just from participating in different kinds of acts."

This is false. My belief is that for most part, sexuality is voluntary and is not conditional upon biology. Therefore, if my opinion holds true, that would NOT mean a person's body can literally change just from participating in different kinds of acts.

Then where do the physiological differences come from if not from people's DNA?

Then you failed to see what is the data for your primary source.

Your decision to add this line: "And that was only one out of a dozen links" and make it appear as if you said this earlier, when you did not say that in the post you are quoting yourself from is very very strange.


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Did you at least enjoy it? There's a lot of things I don't do that, but I think would be fun if I tried them.

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WEB, the only thing I really have to say is that I don't quite agree with your equating choosing to have gay sex as choosing to be gay. Like Tresha said, she has had sex with a guy, but she is still a lesbian. Sexual orientation is about who you feel attracted to, both emotionally and physically, not just about who you have sex with.

I would be interested in hearing your response to the question, but you don't have to answer.

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That's fine. My argument about homosexuality is not (nor is anyone else's argument on this thread, possibly in this world) based upon precise science. There's a lot of speculation involved. In the old days, 50 years ago, people would be referred to psychiatry if they were gay or talked about being gay and I believe that there was a lot less homosexuality back then. It is POSSIBLE to MAKE PEOPLE STRAIGHT even if they are genetically disposed to be gay. Not necessarily by using psychiatry but by destroying the entire notion of the validity of homosexuality. Homosexuality as a lifestyle CAN BE largely destroyed by changing society's treatment of homosexuality as an issue. I believe this has been done before in this country.

I think that's a rude thing to ask as I've already said no. No means no.

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