No, the reasons have a lot of similarity. The people having the gay sex don't think much about honor and dignity and they enjoy the gay sex. That is the same for gays who are on the outside of jail as well. It's yellow apples and yellow apples, to use your modified analogy.

Aside from which, I don't think the circumstance or reasons for the gay sex are relevant to my point about the learned nature of homosexual behavior.

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Apples and oranges my friend.

Humans are a pack animal. They need companionship. In the lack of women, some will bed men.

It is not about getting back at the man. It is about exerting some control in your life when you have no other control.

Many criminals are very animalistic, think of it as establishing dominance over the weaker members of the pack.

Most of the time, your termed "gay sex" in regards to prisoners, is not consensual.

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I don't know why sex deprived criminals resort to homosexual acts while in prison, nor do I know how common it is or how likely they are to retain such behavior upon leaving prison. Do you have any statistics on the specifics I can't answer the unknown?

I do know however that no environmental factors have ever conclusively been shown to cause someone to be gay. There are technically neither any hormonal or genetic ones either however environmental factors are much easier to study and we are still learning about genetics and hormones.

As for the physiological differences between gays and straights they are indisputable. If your opinion holds true then that would mean a person's body can literally change just from participating in different kinds of acts.

Homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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My physical arguments seem to have gone over your head. My questions about whether straight people could go against their nature and participate in gay sex was addressing the issue of gays being "cured" of their homosexuality. I simply turned the notion around, just as I turned the idea of "choice" around by asking when the topic starter "chose" to be straight. Doing so exposes the logical flaws in such thinking.

Neither you nor the topic starter chose to be straight. You just are. That's where the real double standard is. You understand that you are attracted to women and not men. But you fail to accept that there are men who are attracted to men and not women, that it somehow has to be a choice because of your orientation.

Placing a gay person in a situation whereby they go against their nature and have heterosexual sex is not evidence that homosexuality is a choice. It is more akin to your example of a heterosexual turning to gay sex in prison. Contrary behavior in no way invalidates one's natural orientation.


Exactly how is allowing gays to have gay sex forcing anything on you?

I'm promoting homosexuality? Sorry, I am not a recruiter. I'm straight as an arrow.

Actually it is germane. There's a common factor in all of it, including your witch burning. Religious intolerance.

It is your contention that being gay is wrong. It is mine that it is not.

It is - since not all homosexual behaviour is learned. I CAN have a girl, the guy in jail can not, I do not have an attraction to a girl (the guy in the jail does) therefor the two are not the same.

Again, and I have said this often - I believe the reason why science has not find THE reason for homosexuality, is because there is no one reason for it. Some people have gay sex, because of circumstances (that is jail for instance) others choose so, for what otehr reason, others may have been 'made so, by som incidence in their childhood, or whatever, others are born that way, etc. etc. etc.

You take people for m one catogory, the people in jail, and comparethem with all the rest.

To go to your anology of Nazi's. The pope, as a young boy, was forced to join the Hilter youth. In the Us you may have a guy who joins a Neo-Nazi movement. Can we now compare the two? No. Circumstancesforced the pope as a young man into that position, the other's reasons are different.

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Apples and apples, sir.

Humans can be pack animals: fine. They need companionship: fine. In the lack of women some will bed with men: fine. None of this undermines my point that a significant part of homosexuality is learned behavior and is thus CHOICE.

Your comment about convicts having gay sex to have control, is laughable. All inmates could spread feces on their jail cells to have some control too, but they don't do that. It's not about control. It's about the pleasure they derive from having gay sex. Yet, it's highly unlikely that they did this before they came to jail or will do this after they leave jail. Thus, the homosexuality they demonstrate is not ingrained and it is choice.

There are many many ways to exhibit dominance over other men, however once it just doesn't pass the common sense test to say that convicts have sex with each other to show that they dominate over each other. That's just too silly an argument.


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No it is not. Not all men in jail have gay sex for the pleasure. For that the instances of rape in jail is just ot high. All research proof that rape (striahgt or gay) has nothing to do with sex, and everything with power. Therefor his asumption is not that far fetched. Again, both aretrue, some have sex in jaiul, as a way to satisfy a need, others rape in jail, to assert dominance.

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I'd like to see some scientific proof for your claim that "not all homosexual behavior is learned." The guy in jail cannot have a girl, but he can jack off in his cell or fuck his bed. He chooses to be gay, just as people outside of jail choose to be gay. Regardless of what the conditions are, the conditions are irrelevant to my point.

I think that it's strange to see people argue that people are biologically gay with the admission that "science has not find the reason for homosexuality." That really needs to be looked at and kept in mind. Proponents of homosexuality argue that they have proof knowing full well that they don't have it. That is a remarkable thing to do.

We can compare that Nazism is not something INGRAINED, if the Pope can demonstrate that he despises Nazism but at one point was a Nazi because he was highly motivated to do so.

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I do not know if it is choice or not. That is not what I am arguing. What I am arguing is that prison sex, and free sex are not the same.



Really? The prisoners and the DOJ say different. I never said that prisoners having sex and raping other men is not a choice.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/svrca06.pdf

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“Prison sexuality, often viewed as facultative or situational, shows quite similar dominance traits to those of apes,"






You sir need to research your stances a bit before you speak.

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No. There is proof that homosexuality is genetic. And there is proof that it is learned behaviour. I did not admit that there is no proof, I said that thereis no proof for ONE reason for homosecuality. I am not goingto post proof that not all homosexuality is learned, sincce it is late here, and there is a few threads on this forum where that proof has already been posted.

I am saying that all thse things have bee nscietifically proven, and that I think that is becauuse all of them aretrue for some people.

There is one proof I will mention - and that is not scientific, this istrue - but it is not personal.

I did not want to be gsay. I did a hell of a lot not to be gay. I made myself incfedibly unhappy in the process. The fact remains, I am gay, and in my circumstance, it was not choice, nor was it forced on me, or was I made gay.

But still I am gay. That is my proof for now.

And it is almost midnight, and I am of to bed.

HAve a good one folks.

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