This is probably the most straightforward answer. You just flat out think homosexuality is wrong, and equate it with stabbing yourself in the leg or stealing money from a found wallet.

At least that's honest.

You are entitled to your beliefs. However, it becomes a problem when you force others to live by that belief. There was a time when a black man couldn't marry a white woman because there were people who felt that was an offense against God. There are still people today who feel that way.

When innocents are involved, such as pedophiles who prey on children, that is one thing. But we are talking about consenting adults.

When you take money from someone's wallet, you are taking it without their consent. So there is a difference there as well. Two men having sex with each other are not taking anything from you any more than a man and a woman having sex with each other.

I believe it is possible to love a sinner. Hell, since we are all sinners we don't have much choice.

However, in this particular context it kind of reminds me of anti-war protestors who claim to support the troops. Hey, we think what you are doing is totally evil, but we still love you!

Yorgl, if this evidnce of more 'ex-gays than gays are so common knowledege, give ot us, a link (to a credible source) ill do....

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Never once has a homosexual called me a hater, even after I explained my stance on the issue.

I have however been told that I was going to go to hell because I told religious people that I already had a church that I was happy with, and did not want to attend theirs.

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Exactly. My father, when he was alive, believed that homosexuality is a sin, thati s how he was raised, thatwas his faith. But he loved me, thus he was not a homophobe. So the same wih people who believe homosexuality as an action, as a way of living, is wrong. Thatalone does not make you a hater.

But i must say that it is also here the problem comes in, for me at least. It is not ONLY having sex with some one of the same sex that makes a person a homosexual. To think that is to trivise complex feelings and emotions, including love, attraction (not only physical atraction)etc.

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Do you think that men in jail were gay before they went in and will be gay once they get out? If it is enduring, why does it only last while they are in jail?

Can you be more specific about these physiological differences between gays and straights?

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Jail is a bit different. It is more about simple companionship, or having some sort of power in an environment where it is one of the only ways you can have power.

You are talking apples and oranges.

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All of my answers were straightforward and "at least" honest. Yours were not. You automatically rule out disagreement about your physical arguments as not straightforward or not honest, which is a dishonest comment in and of itself.

You are entitled to yours, however it becomes a problem when you force others to live by that belief, while accusing your opponents of doing that. I don't want to give my blessing to homosexuality and you seek to force the majority of Americans who share this view to do just that. That is a big problem, in addition to the problem of your promotion of homosexuality. Those are two big problems that you create.

As for blacks and whites, well there was a time when we burned witches too, however none of this discussion about race or witchcraft is germane to the present debate.

What's wrong is wrong. Consenting adults can still do the wrong thing.

They lost the money. I believe that legally it is no longer their's. So one can legally take that money. It's the difference of values which determines what people can do, even when they have legal rights to do what is wrong. Two men having sex with each other are destroying the society which I live in. All citizens have a say in how their society will be run. I choose to use my voice to prevent its destruction, you choose yours to allow the erosion of this society's decency and quality.

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People in jail have gay sex. People outside of jail have gay sex. That is apples and apples. I highly doubt that people in jail fuck each other up the ass to get back at "the man", as you imply.

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But the circumstances and the reasons for this gay sex differ, so, if apple and oranges does not work for you, Yellow and green aplles then? But the tow are not axactly the same, are they?

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