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Old 05-08-2008, 02:49 PM
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So you are attracted to men, but choose not to act on it?
No, I am not attracted to men, but I do have the capacity to perform gay acts. I do not hate Jews but I do have the capacity to act as a Nazi does. Everyone has the capacity to perform gay acts, or be Nazi or whatever. A person is capable of anything. They choose what they want to do.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:52 PM
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Du Bois, I find it interesting you compare having sex with another man to stabbing yourself in the leg. You are clearly not attracted to men.

This is something which you did not decide. It is just the way you are. You see women and you feel an automatic attraction. You do not feel an automatic attraction when you look at men. That is not a choice. It is just the way you are.

You agree that under the right conditions, you could force yourself to stab yourself in the leg, er, I mean have sex with another man, but it would be forced.

Why is it so hard to believe that for gays, it is exactly the same way? A gay man feels an automatic attraction to other men and feels absolutely nothing for women. But under the right conditions, a gay man could abdicate his homosexuality and take up straight sex. But it would be against his nature.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:53 PM
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A person has the capacity to enjoy anthing:

* Fucking men, women, kids, goats, enjoy stabbing themselves, etc

We choose how we get our enjoyment.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:54 PM
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Depends on what is meant by "design". If it is meant that the colon is a one way street, then anal sex is right out for both gays and straights. If it is meant that sex is for procreation, then oral sex and all sex not intended to make babies is right out.

I'm just trying to figure out which one they mean.
MEh Idk, I don't like talking about people's bedrooms. . .

Marriage should be abolished for everyone imo. . .no real reason to keep it around in legal terms imo, let the churches and mosques sort out marriage.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:58 PM
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Du Bois, I find it interesting you compare having sex with another man to stabbing yourself in the leg. You are clearly not attracted to men.

This is something which you did not decide. It is just the way you are. You see women and you feel an automatic attraction. You do not feel an automatic attraction when you look at men. That is not a choice. It is just the way you are.

You agree that under the right conditions, you could force yourself to stab yourself in the leg, er, I mean have sex with another man, but it would be forced.

Why is it so hard to believe that for gays, it is exactly the same way? A gay man feels an automatic attraction to other men and feels absolutely nothing for women. But under the right conditions, a gay man could abdicate his homosexuality and take up straight sex. But it would be against his nature.
I could not say for sure whether gay behavior is "hard wired" (i.e. genetic) or learned behavior. I suspect that it varies. Some people may be hard wired gay, while others are more gay through learned behavior. I think that if a person is gay, he has the choice to MAKE HIMSELF straight. I believe that I could make myself gay, if I wanted to. I could make myself a Nazi, a racist against whites, I could make myself enjoy bestiality. I can make myself believe anything I put my mind to.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:01 PM
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I could not say for sure whether gay behavior is "hard wired" (i.e. genetic) or learned behavior. I suspect that it varies. Some people may be hard wired gay, while others are more gay through learned behavior. I think that if a person is gay, he has the choice to MAKE HIMSELF straight.
Okay. But should he make himself straight or abstain from gay sex?
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:04 PM
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Speaking of gays and AIDS, what if two gay men entered into a monogamous marriage? That would prevent them from getting AIDS, right?
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:06 PM
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I submit the following for consideration: What about gay men in jail?

* Do you think there is a higher incidence of homosexuality in jail then in life outside of jail? If so, why?

* Why is there more homosexuality inside of jails then outside?

* Are the people who do gay sex in jail mostly naturally gay, or is it learned behavior?
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:08 PM
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Okay. But should he make himself straight or abstain from gay sex?
I think that the right thing to do is to make himself straight and abstain from gay sex. Those are my values. People have different values. Some people have the values that if you find a wallet in the street and it belongs to someone who lives 5 blocks away from you, you go to that person's house and give them their wallet back. Others have the values that you take the money out and throw the wallet back on the ground. People have different values.
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Old 05-08-2008, 03:15 PM
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Sexual orientation isn't simply an action, it is an enduring emotional state of mind. That is where the problem lies. People want to think of homosexuality as just having sex or change to definition under different circumstances. While sexual orientation isn't exactly rigid there are identifiable physiological differences between gay and straight members of the same sex especially in the brain.
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