Double standards in debate on homosexuality - Page 11 - Political Forum

Ygorl · 05-15-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nash

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yes it is a deadly lifestyle i used the term "culture of death" because culture can be defined as the intergrated pattern of human knowledge, belief and behaviour that depends on mans capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations. And to be blunt two penisis sword fighting and attacking the anus does not produce a baby and neither does two vaginas rubbing together you might give birth to friction but not a baby hence the term culture of death!...............

LOL you sound like I did a couple years ago.

And you're right to a point.

Here's the thing though. Don't allow yourself to become a hateful lunatic like many of THEM are. To do so makes you no different than they are... other than the fact that you're not "gay."

Let THEM be the venomous human vipers that they are. Let them bite their OWN backs.

swialiberal · 05-15-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tresha

I gotta jump back in here for a bit.
I don't consider anyone who disagrees with my life to be a "homophobe". I just don't. I know there are plenty of people who disagree for reasons that are wholly moral (to them) or just come from different idealogical positions.
But at the same time, I have in fact met people who are "phobic" of me.
They automatically believe I am a threat to their children or that I will hit on them or their wives/girlfriends. And they are frightened by this, thus the phobia aspect of this.

I'm not a danger to children and never have been. I don't go after someone's wife or girlfriend, cause that's not my style.
I don't consider myself a "heterophobe" either. I've got plenty of straight friends and we get along with each other great.

I don't hate the Christians or anyone else who rail against me; even when they do it publicly or politically.
I fear them, but I don't hate them.

I fear them, because I have seen what that kind of ignorance and bigotry can do. I've seen it happen to me and my friends and I've read with horror about what happens to people like Matthew Sheppard or Lawrence King.

To me, it just doesn't matter whether I was born this way or not.
I never remember blatently choosing to be attracted to women, but I am.
I don't hurt anyone with what I'm doing and I've damn sure never beaten anyone because I'm gay and they're not.

GREAT post Tresha. When you said something about "heterophobia", I thought of one of the lines I say a lot; "All my best friends are straight." While it is true, I usually say it jokingly when somebody arguing against homosexuality says "I have many gay friends." I guess when they say that they are just trying to prove they are, to an extent, accepting of gays.

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Originally Posted by Ygorl

Originally Posted by Ygorl
It's actually common knowledge to anyone that knows anything about the issue that there are more EX "homosexuals" than there are "homosexuals."

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To the furthest extent of my knowledge, no, it is not "common knowledge". Actually, this may be the first time I have ever heard somebody assert that claim.

Yeah, I beleive that

I will follow AH's lead and request proof. If it really is "common knowledge", undeniable, totally unbiased proof must surely exist.

tresha · 05-16-2008, 12:23 AM

Thanks for the nice words Swialiberal-I'm glad you liked the post.

I slightly "misspoke". I should have said I fear some of the Christians or politicians or really, anyone else, who by their beliefs, words or actions promote violence and hatred.
In my wording, I unfortunately painted everyone with the same brush and that's wrong for me to do.
I've mentioned on one of these boards somewhere that one of my sisters is a missionary and considers herself quite fundamentalist.
She certainly does not condone my being gay, nor does she support it.
She does however love me and believes that I should not be threatened or harmed because others believe I am wrong.

I have actually had people verbally harass me and physically assault me and claim it was within their rights because they were "doing the work of the Lord".
Yes that is a direct quote.
It doesn't stop me from going to church and I try very hard not to see all Christians in the same light as those who assaulted me.

I wish others could do the same for me; (not paint me with the same brush they do ALL gays and lesbians) I suppose that is too much to hope for however.

Nash · 05-16-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tresha

I wish others could do the same for me; (not paint me with the same brush they do ALL gays and lesbians) I suppose that is too much to hope for however.

we should just put all lesbians together give them their own state put up borders passports the whole 9 yards and after about 200 years when every one of them is dead we take back the land until such time arises again.What are you babbiling on about painting you with the same brush?? Your a freaking lesbian and proud of it you like vagiana and breast you are painted with the same brush that all women that like vagina and breast are. Lesbians suffer from hetrophobia,and other mental illnesses. For example you dont want a man but yet you would gladly buy a fake male member(strap on or dildo) and please yourselves. Which is strange behaviour, i dont like men no way in hell will i buy a strap on or a fake ass to sodomise because i detest the homosexual life style. You lesbians however are very confused you want a woman yet you still long for a penis something is wrong in the mentality there definitly!!.

Ygorl · 05-16-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nash

we should just put all lesbians together give them their own state put up borders passports the whole 9 yards and after about 200 years when every one of them is dead we take back the land until such time arises again.What are you babbiling on about painting you with the same brush?? Your a freaking lesbian and proud of it you like vagiana and breast you are painted with the same brush that all women that like vagina and breast are. Lesbians suffer from hetrophobia,and other mental illnesses. For example you dont want a man but yet you would gladly buy a fake male member(strap on or dildo) and please yourselves. Which is strange behaviour, i dont like men no way in hell will i buy a strap on or a fake ass to sodomise because i detest the homosexual life style. You lesbians however are very confused you want a woman yet you still long for a penis something is wrong in the mentality there definitly!!.

Harsher than is needed IMO. Yeah, she and MANY people are sexually confused. It's wrong. It's unhealthy and dangerous. But lets put that aside for a second. Lets look at how our nation is allowing perversity to become an accepted norm. So accepted that we will call, two entirely different relationships, the same name. Even though it makes absolutely NO sense to do so.

The difference between a male and a female

or a male and a male

or a female and a female

is as clear and obvious as the difference between a cube and a sphere

or a sphere and a sphere

or a cube and a cube.

I'm not a religious extremeist, not even really what would be considered religious (agnostic) but I understand why many of them find this to be little more than a confirmation that we are in "the last days."
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Marriage ruling a victory for Newsom

"As California goes," Newsom told hundreds of cheering supporters, "so goes the nation."

Marriage ruling a victory for Newsom
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I wouldn't say that it's a confirmation of "the end times," I WOULD say that it's a very clear indication of a weakening and sickening civilization. It may BE "the end days" for this particular peice of civilization we call America.

LiveUninhibited · 05-16-2008, 12:35 PM

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So accepted that we will call, two entirely different relationships, the same name. Even though it makes absolutely NO sense to do so.

Yeah, of course all heterosexual marriages are the same and are equally sanctified right? (sarcasm). There are far better ways to judge a marriage than by the genders of those involved, but even if we judge a marriage as frivilous or immoral, that still wouldn't mean such people shouldn't have the right to marry.

Ygorl · 05-16-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

Yeah, of course all heterosexual marriages are the same and are equally sanctified right? (sarcasm). There are far better ways to judge a marriage than by the genders of those involved, but even if we judge a marriage as frivilous or immoral, that still wouldn't mean such people shouldn't have the right to marry.

Hmmm...

Well ok. Do you suggest we call our moms our dads and our dads our moms ?

Our sisters our brothers and our brothers our sisters ?

Since we're completely removing the meanings of human relations by making the names of them mean ANYTHING why don't we just call them all "people."

So, I would ask you "So, do you live with those people in your house because you're genetically related to them or are they part of another kind of relation ?"

Since mom, dad, parent, husband, wife, brother, sister, cousin are now meaningless.

Ygorl · 05-16-2008, 01:12 PM

As I was saying earlier about confused-ifornias "gay" marriage ruling:

Pretzel Logic Behind Gay Marriage

Justice Baxter correctly noted that California’s high court made a three-way power shift that violates American principles of constitutional law:

It usurped the state legislature’s authority to make laws, violating separation of powers.

It usurped the people’s authority to make laws via initiative and referendum.

Because the state constitution prohibits legislators from repealing laws passed by popular vote, the court gave the lawmakers a new power to repeal such laws indirectly.

He wrote in his dissent: “Nothing in our Constitution, express or implicit, compels the majority’s startling conclusion that the age-old understanding of marriage — an understanding recently confirmed by an initiative law — is no longer valid.

"California statutes already recognize same-sex unions and grant them all the substantive legal rights this state can bestow. If there is to be a further sea change in the social and legal understanding of marriage itself, that evolution should occur by similar democratic means. The majority forecloses this ordinary democratic process, and, in doing so, oversteps its authority.

“The majority’s mode of analysis is particularly troubling. The majority relies heavily on the Legislature’s adoption of progressive civil rights protections for gays and lesbians to find a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

"In effect, the majority gives the Legislature indirectly power that body does not directly possess to amend the Constitution and repeal an initiative statute. But a bare majority of this court, not satisfied with the pace of democratic change, now abruptly forestalls that process and substitutes, by judicial fiat, its own social policy views for those expressed by the People themselves.

“Undeterred by the strong weight of state and federal law and authority, the majority invents a new constitutional right, immune from the ordinary process of legislative consideration. The majority finds that our Constitution suddenly demands no less than a permanent redefinition of marriage, regardless of the popular will.

Newsmax.com - Sen. Istook: Pretzel Logic Behind Gay Marriage

tresha · 05-16-2008, 11:13 PM

"Harsher than is needed IMO. Yeah, she and MANY people are sexually confused. It's wrong. It's unhealthy and dangerous. But lets put that aside for a second. Lets look at how our nation is allowing perversity to become an accepted norm. So accepted that we will call, two entirely different relationships, the same name. Even though it makes absolutely NO sense to do so." {Quoted from an earlier post by Ygorl}

Hi Yorgl!
If it's all the same to you, please don't assume things about me on my behalf. I'm not confused sexually. And my life is not unhealthy or dangerous.
I do appreciate that you aren't spewing stuff in the manner of some other posters and I don't mind disagreements about this or any other topic, but I'd really appreciate if your wording could be a bit different.

That being said, I'd like to ask you some specific questions regarding Christianity and homosexuality if you don't mind. Obviously this would be in an open forum--if not, it's totally fine.

As I said, I appreciate that you are not as disrespectful as some I've encountered and I strive to be respectful to you also---let me know.
Thanks!
T

choclosteve · 05-16-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nash

where the fuck did i say the heterolsexual men?? i said the heterolsexuals(this means men and women!!) on one island and put homosexual women on the other and the homosexual men on the third the homosexuals would die out much faster in fact you would cease to exist after not even 200 years. Homosexuality is a life style of death, homosexuals should be homophobic because they have no future.They live a culture of death, I really believe that we should put you all on your own country or seperate island. You could have your gay army or gay mc donalds your gay stores gay walmarts ect.. and when you cease to exist we the heterolsexuals would take the land back

yes it is a deadly lifestyle i used the term "culture of death" because culture can be defined as the intergrated pattern of human knowledge, belief and behaviour that depends on mans capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations. And to be blunt two penisis sword fighting and attacking the anus does not produce a baby and neither does two vaginas rubbing together you might give birth to friction but not a baby hence the term culture of death!

yes because you represent a poisin lifestyle of death and they do not want their children whose minds can be easily manipulated to look at you as some sort of role model and as far as their wives if given the opportunitie a lesbian woman would hit on the wife in a minute.

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well in your next line you admit that you are!!

perfect example of hetrophobia

yes play the "i dont remember card" now, you chose you made up your mind you wasn't born that way

I think you've got it wrong with this culture of death stuff. The world has too many people. More gays means less population growth, a gift from God to our planetary well being. Thank you gay people for not breeding, and thank you God for creating gay people who do not breed.