if we consider dahermits views i shouldnt even be allowed to take a stance.

but allright, if there is no will to discuss method anymore than thats the end of it.

I really do not care what Dahenmit thinks. We seem to share the same view on gun control, but this is an open forum and everyone is invited to debate. I understand where he is coming from. But do not agree with it.

I am up for debate with anyone if they can stick to the issues, but if not then no.

Thank you for keeping it civil.

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"America is not at war. The U.S. military is at war. America is at the
mall."

ok, agreed.

Guns are used for protection and guns are also sometimes an abused priveledge. I know that this sounds far fetched but why not make guns with bullets illegal and instead have tranquilizers which will be able to protect you from danger and stop as much gun violence. Everybody will benifit from this except those that want to use guns for violence

Please tell me you are kidding.

Once again. Criminals do not obey the law. So you would simply be under protected.

You can outlaw everything under the sun. Criminals will keep breaking the laws, and the law abiding citizen would suffer with their lives.

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"America is not at war. The U.S. military is at war. America is at the
mall."

I do not believe you would be under protected. you would be able to keep the enemy from doing any further damage by making him unconscious till police or help arrives. you don't always have to kill to be safe

People are able to make their own bullets, it is not exactly a hard thing to do anymore. Not to mention guns would have to be designed to shoot tranquilizers and those, contrary to what Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 would have you believe, are not likely to be fast to reload or fire. Not to mention that such guns can be altered to fire regular bullets.

The flaw in that argument is assuming the victim may be able to knock the criminal unconcious. The problem with thinking that is that criminals choose their victims, and good ones scout out their victims and what they want ahead of time. The situation may well be that the victim would be knocked unconcious or killed, along with his whole family (dead men tell no tales).

If we did make other guns illegal they would fix those flaws.

[quote=The flaw in that argument is assuming the victim may be able to knock the criminal unconcious. The problem with thinking that is that criminals choose their victims, and good ones scout out their victims and what they want ahead of time. The situation may well be that the victim would be knocked unconcious or killed, along with his whole family (dead men tell no tales).[/QUOTE]

And how would that situation be any different with a normal gun

Gun=weapon, in the first place, weapon is created for attacking, defending by attacking intruders, but if it does not exist, then we will be defending ourself by escaping, so it is better to not have weapon with us, as some will use it on negative activities

How so? The guns would still be able to be altered and bullets can still be made. The people who made regular guns and bullets will still have the know-how to make them.

The victim would be going up against the criminal (who will be armed with a killing, not stunning weapon) with an actual killing weapon.

There are two flaws with this argument that I can see.

First, you would have to get rid of all guns in the world to make that come true.

Second, anything can be used as a weapon so why not stop making everything?