One thing I've noticed is that many anti-abortion people seem to think that by making abortion illegal all the problems associated with it will be solved. Thing is, would making it illegal really do anything beneficial or solve the problem? I think not. All it would do would be to close down the medical clinics where you can get sterile abortions, and lead the practice to be done underground where we could lose the woman as well as the fetus.

I think of this much like Prohibition, it might look good on paper and make us more moral but the reality is it is not feasible.

Thoughts?

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Good question .
I believe that convencing some one that abortion is wrong is far better than just prohibiting abortion . Sense that prohibited actions can still be done . an some one who believes that somthing is wrong is less likely to do it .
Abortion foes need to win the hearts an minds of those who oppose us before any true progress can be made agianst abortion .
Note..... That convenceing some one is wrong dose not start with packing there bags an sending them on a guilt trip or calling them murders ,or insulting them. It starts with respect .

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The issue with Anti-Abortionists is that they believe that aborting a baby is actually killing a baby. That is first and foremost. It is believed that they will be preventing a murder of a helpless baby by outlawing abortion. It isn't so much about the problems surrounding why someone aborts their child though they do try to influence women against it.

I think the point is being missed if you are just looking at the problems surrounding abortion.

Well with all due respect, the pro-aborts have been shown the science behind it, and they still think it is ok. The pro-aborts dont want progress in this issue. Even as science gets better and is able to keep babies alive at fewer and fewer weeks, they still turn the other cheek. 3-D ultrasounds, 4-D ultrasounds, etc. Still not a baby to them.

Lets not forget teh psychological affects of having an abortion. That never gets discussed either from the pro-aborts.

The pro-aborts want this to continue b/c the entire Birth Control movement is predicated upon being able to kill or destroy life as they see fit according to economic and societal benefits toward government. It is nothing more then the eugenists of yesteryear on display.

As science continues its advances, the idea that abortion is ok, will fall by the way side. Unless, the pro-aborts(liberals) are able to continue to sweep it under the rug. The science behind abortion will shatter the left's ideals down the road. It has already begun. Stats show that a woman who gets an ultrasound that they are less likely to have an abortion. That is the advances of science at work.

Making abortion illegal would reduce the number of abortions, by increasing cost and risk. Despite the latter affect, a net number of lives would probably be saved.

Personally, I don't see how a mindless lifeform can be considered to be a human being, given that a being by definition must be self aware. I am appalled that thousands to millions of persons are dead, dieng, and going to die, for the sake of the temporary structural integrity of blastocytes.

Though humanity's general excuse for valueing itself above animals is that it is more intelligent than them, in practice we don't follow that arguement of value based on intelligence to its logical effect. The punishment for killing a genius is same as that for killing someone with severe mental retardation.

I refuse to think that an vegetable is a person, but I am open to the arguement that many who are dumber than a substantial number of adult apes are persons. A person in my opinion is both a being and human. I'll revise that definition should I ever learn of the existence of any specific intelligent ET life.

When does a human become a being?

It varies. I know, through memory, that I was one before my infancy ended. All we can possibily do in this regard, is make educated guesses. I personally think it is unlikely enough that one is a being before being born, that at that point ones life can be disgarded morally.

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Go ahead and make it illegal. I would like to see what the legal ramifications for having an abortion would be since it appears to be the one question that can never be answered.

What should be the punishment?

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I have always been in the middle when it comes to abortion.

I believe that if you are dumb enough to get pregnant then you should be responsible for that baby.

However, If you get raped, I believe that you should have the choice on whether or not to keep the baby.

and in any case making someting illegal is not going to stop people from doing it

[quote=Bronze Medal;149082]So you are comparing a Life threatening disease, hardly reasonable.

but to answer the above, I never said it should be illegal, I said that if they go out and have sex then they should have to deal with the responsibilites they are volunteering themselves for.

Sex is meant for reproduction, pleasure is only a side effect.

Yes, I am sexually active, and yes if I got a woman pregnant I would gladly take the responsibilites of that child.

Just because it is unwanted is not a reson to get an abortion.

Thats half the problem with the Unites States right now, no one will take responsibility for what they are doing.

No it would just make pre-mothers do it without doctors assistance and would lead to alot of fuck ups.

Then it would go on, but illegally. If a woman don't want to have a baby, she won't have the baby. It is as simple as that, because they do everything to loose the baby. The result of a ban would be that they would do it secretly.

What about capital punishment because a woman decided about her own belly?

It has to do with psyche, not with science.
First of all you can't force any woman to give birth. Secondly a woman who wants to abort never probably would like to give birth. In the contrary, another woman probably never would like to abort.

Some women don't have any psychological problems and some have. What about the psychological pain if a women has to give birth but doesn't want the baby? What about the physical pain if a woman has to give birth? Anti-aborts never discuss that.

It's totalitaristic if a woman gets forced to give birth.

No? Science doesn't have to do anything with that. It's rather a question about the psyche. And if a woman doesn't want to have a baby she won't have it.

I'm rather liberal, but I don't say that abortion is good.

Left isn't liberal. A person can be both but the ideologies aren't the same. Abortion is no "left ideal". I think that most liberals and leftwingers would be happy if there wouldn't be any woman who wants to abort. But if a woman wants to abort, this right must be given.

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