When you somehow kill a pregnant woman you get charged with the murder of her and her baby. I do not know why you don't constitute the ending of the life of a baby unborn or not without its consent is murder. but abortion doesn't give everyone a free chance which is what freedom just like in your icon is all about. To not have somebody make a decision for you. Where does that soon to be born being fit in to democracy

I would love to debate the morality of this issue or the rights of the baby. I have read every single post in the forum (I found this site just two days ago - great site). And there are many misconceptions about the fetus (one woman used parasite and that is just scientifically wrong). But the fetus isn't why the thread was started. It is whether or not if Roe vs. Wade was overturned and it was made illegal, whether that would solve the problem. I say no. And oddly enough, I was just talking to my priest and he agreed with me (a Catholic priest). He believes, as I do, there should be a lot more limitations on this right and the reasons why the decision was made should be examined (the right to privacy was not a good reason to make this law).

But really, do I want to prosecute and put in jail for 10, 15, 20 years an 18 year old who was scared and got an illegal procedure? No. The jails are crowded enough. And I agree that these women are desperate and scared. Does it justify murder, or if you don't consider it murder, does it justify breaking the law? No. But to think practically about the issue, it also doesn't serve the taxpayers to prosecute these women or put them in jail.

I think the first thing that needs to be done is more education, more access to all forms of birth control including the RU486 (morning after pill) and all forms that would allow a women to take responsibility for her reproductive health.

I will debate the rest on a different thread (because this particular debate I find fascinating - especially with the coat hangers being the worst kind of fear mongering). But I really don't think with capitalism being what it is - and so many things done on the black market, that making this illegal would do our society good. I do think we need MANY more limitations on it that are currently in place though.... again, different thread

finally someone who understands me, though we disagree about the concept of abortion. The fact is no one LIKES abortion, i can't think of anyone who wouldnt like to see a world were abortion isnt needed. i believe in pro life people focused on TEACHING people against the choice of abortion and giving better option's this would be a better world. notice i said teaching not shouting, that helps no one and fuels the fire.

i am glad a pro life(if i can call you that) shares my sentiment on how to end abortion. and someone from my home town chicago as well

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Yes - you can call me pro-life which is probably why I may go debate a few points in another thread. but yes - we do understand one another (and I do love the concept of most libertarian ideas). Teaching and offering as many choices prior to abortion will help limit them. but the horrible idea of prosecuting women that seek illegal abortions I think is a waste of time and money. And it would be sad. These women do not serve as a threat to society -they are a threat to themselves. You are right about no one liking abortion. No one does. It the level of importance put upon it that bothers people and remains a hot topic.

I wonder though - what conceptually about abortion do we differ on? And how do different conepts of what abortion is help shape what we want to do about it legally?