I think that you must either be a) assuming pro-life lack of intellect, or b) ignoring the pro-life argument. Making abortion illegal won't solve all the problems associated, of course not. Would banning murder alleviate all of the problems associated with it? Of course not, but that's no reason to leave/make it illegal.





Wait, you're saying that it's wrong but it shouldn't be illegal? If someone believes that abortion is murder (wrong) but also believes that it should remain legal then they are condoning a violation of civil liberties. Just try seeing the issue from their perspective, someone who believes abortion is murder, and say the same things you've just said. It's suddenly ludicrous.

"Murder is wrong, but we shouldn't make it illegal because it will only make the murderer take greater risks to his own life to murder. We should try to convince murderers that murder is wrong, we should not send them on a guilt trap or insult them, we should start be showing them respect."

Look man, it's ridiculous. Absolutely ludicrous. It's like telling an environmentalist, "yeah, NYC is going to be flooded by 2050 if we don't do something now, but we need to start by showing the greedy corporations respect. We shouldn't prevent them from dumping waste into our waters, we should instead convince them that it isn't the right thing to do."

Well yeah, when you make the comparative groups people under 20 versus people 20 and over, the latter group has an overwhelming number of abortions, but that's a ridiculous way of grouping statistics, clearly designed such. Proportionately teens do have far more pregnancies, and that's how things should be measured.

It is a belittling term, but not necessarily an unfair one. The natural result of sex is pregnancy, the only reason why it's unexpected is because sex education has been used to make kids believe that contraception is a miracle that can really make them secure, but sex leads pregnancy. Saying that someone who had sex and expected never to get pregnant from it is equivocal to a professional fighter who fights in the ring every week but expects never to get hurt because they use gloves and padding for protection.

Itend to stay away from this issue because the debates become too inflamed. However, on this forum I will take a chance. First, we men should not be given any control over a woman's body. That is women's business. The actual problem isn't abortion, it is promiscuity. That is what must somehow be abated. However, having been a youth I too undersyand that isn't a practical expectation of some teens. So, we have pregnant teen mothers who if they have the child will have little or no chance to have a worthwhile life and whose child will be locked into a cycle of poverty funded by the tax payers of the land. Also, abortions occurred even when they were strictly illegal and would again, These were unsafe and often resulted in the death of the mother. All this considered my opinion is that making abortions illegal would not be a good idea, because the law won't stop abortions occuring, the death's from illegal abortions will rise, the numbers of people living in poverty will rise and the problem of imorality and ignorance will still exist. Solve that one first!

Well, I meant to say 20-35 years. I don't remember the statistic off the top of my head. Teens do not have more pregnancies (approximately 40% last I checked) and most definitely do NOT have the most abortions. That is a false assumption and/or lie that people have been hearing for quite some time. The face of the average woman who seeks an abortion already has one child, may even be married, and is over the age of 20. The United States abortion rates have been steadily dropping and are now at the lowest they have been since 1976. This is due to the battle to make sexual education and contraception correctly distributed, comprehensive, and available.

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Incorrect sexual education would lead people to believe that contraception is a "miracle". It is also incorrect to lie to children and tell them that people are telling them contraception is a "miracle" and "fail proof" and they could always feel secure when using it when no one is saying that.

Contraception is protection. It is not 100% and no one ever tells anyone it is. If used correctly (these are the key words) your chances of getting pregnant and (depending on the method) contracting contagious diseases is lowered not annihilated. Anyone who is going around saying "Well, they're telling you that if you use a condom then you'll never get pregnant but they're liars!" is lying and creating more of a problem because it makes people think that those who are out there to inform and help curb unwanted pregnancy, std spreads, and abortions are the "bad guys".

To use your little analogy..... are you telling me because the guy could get hurt even though he is wearing his protective gear, he should stop using it cuz it's worthless anyway? Cuz that's what the other side sounds like they're trying to say. And if the message is "No, I'm trying to say 'Stay out of the ring'" then once again I have to point out that this is the real world and not a fantasy.

People know they can get pregnant. They is why they use protection. It can still be quite unexpected when it happens especially when someone believes they have done all the right things. Again, I would be fairly shocked if I were to become pregnant right now. I have been on birth control since I was 16 years old and have even doubled-up on occasion. If I were to get pregnant it would be unexpected. And I'm sure I'm not the only female in the United States who has been using birth control methods for over 8 years who would be a little shocked if a test were to come back positive. The positive test does not mean "irresponsibility". It means "life happens" and you have yet more choices ahead of you. Whether they be "What color should we paint the nursery?" or "Am i financially, physically, and mentally capable of continuing with this?"

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Here is the problem with Abortion in the US. it was made legal by the supreme court,not the Legislative branch like it should have been. it wouldn't be nearly the hot button issue it is, if it had been done the right way.

I am ,however, Pro-Life. i believe our founding documents protect life."The right to Life..." Thus making the act of abortion Illegal. And the punishment for the women as well as the doctor, or whom ever performs it,should be the same as anyone who commits murder. when a women gets pregnant, her body is no longer just "Hers". I would support allowing abortion in the case of a health risk to the mother, she does have the right to protect herself against death.

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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."- Ronald Reagan

"If the first amendment doesn't work, the second amendment will." - Michael Badnarik

Which "murder"? Would the woman get "1st degree" and the doctor get "accomplice to"? Considering the vast number of abortions that are obtained, you think it would be practical to put every woman who aborts in jail for 15 years or so?

I'll just say one reason why this has never happened and never will happen is because people don't want their loved ones thrown in jail for such a reason. Many, many, many people know someone who has had an abortion and very, very, very few of those people would be okay with them spending time in jail for their actions. It isn't merely an issue of "Well, it's only not illegal because the Supreme Court are jerks and don't want it to be!". It has a lot to do with "What will the punishment be?" and "Are you okay with the consequences of making this illegal (with an actual punishment) and what it will mean for your loved ones?"

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i have no problem with someone being punished for a crime. You commit a crime, you are punished. Don't you think if the punishment were heavy, there would be less abortions?This is where the pro-aborts like to twist the argument. you must look at it from our point of you, unless you are closed minded. We feel that a "Fetus" is a human being. Aborting that human being is Murder. It would be the same as you taking a gun and blowing someones head off. if my "Loved one" would do something that i feel is so deplorable, i know i would support them being punished.

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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."- Ronald Reagan

"If the first amendment doesn't work, the second amendment will." - Michael Badnarik

In my opinion abortion is more a matter of conviction rather than a matter of legality.