Kurd Independence A Grow Concern - Political Forum

CHUQ · #1 (**permalink**) 10-07-2006, 08:43 AM

Interesting read.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...85_iraq07.html

CHUQ · #2 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 05:23 AM

Come on guys, any thoughts? A Kurdistan could be the most pro-western area in the ME--ya gotta feel something!

francois60 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 12:15 PM

I feel that since the Kurds are the only people in that area who truly like us, we should back them 100%. Being our friend should have rewards. Being our enemy should have consequences.

Luke · #4 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 08:12 PM

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Come on guys, any thoughts? A Kurdistan could be the most pro-western area in the ME--ya gotta feel something!

My Pakistanian friend told me once that Balochistan inside Pakistan is also very similar to Kudistan, very secular and pro-western. He hopes that America can help them get independence from the rest of Pakistan.

CHUQ · #5 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 05:18 AM

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My Pakistanian friend told me once that Balochistan inside Pakistan is also very similar to Kudistan, very secular and pro-western. He hopes that America can help them get independence from the rest of Pakistan.

Let me do some research on Balochistan before I say anything, for I am not that familiar with the area. I will get back to you shortly.

CHUQ · #6 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 07:46 AM

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My Pakistanian friend told me once that Balochistan inside Pakistan is also very similar to Kudistan, very secular and pro-western. He hopes that America can help them get independence from the rest of Pakistan.

After I did a little research I can see the similarities, which include a secular society, exploitation of natural resources, uncheked immigration and the suppression of cultural idenity.

And like the Kurds, I do not see a separate nation evolving. Why? Basically, the population is spread among several countries and that does not make for a good reason for independence. Several countries would loss considerable revenue from independence.

While the Kurds are pro-west now will it contiue if independence is granted? I say for awhile but may be short lived.

francois60 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 12:31 PM

Although this certainly isn't authoritative, a friend of mine who served in Kurdistan in the 90s and still visits there frequently says that the Kurds are big believers in blood feuds, and conversely, blood debts. Saving them from Saddam has made them grateful and they will continue to be our staunch allies until they believe the debt is paid(or we stab them in the back by selling them out).

Luke · #8 (**permalink**) 10-11-2006, 06:04 PM

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After I did a little research I can see the similarities, which include a secular society, exploitation of natural resources, uncheked immigration and the suppression of cultural idenity.

And like the Kurds, I do not see a separate nation evolving. Why? Basically, the population is spread among several countries and that does not make for a good reason for independence. Several countries would loss considerable revenue from independence.

While the Kurds are pro-west now will it contiue if independence is granted? I say for awhile but may be short lived.

Balochistan is between Pakistan and Iran. It has resources, and it is a secular society. It is near the Persian Bay with strategic locations. So, they believe that once they have independence, they would welcome western countries for economic development and political alliance.

Recently, a very senior leader in Balochstan was killed by Pakistanians. There are too few people there, and it is hard for them to make a loud voice.

CHUQ · #9 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 05:57 AM

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Balochistan is between Pakistan and Iran. It has resources, and it is a secular society. It is near the Persian Bay with strategic locations. So, they believe that once they have independence, they would welcome western countries for economic development and political alliance.

Recently, a very senior leader in Balochstan was killed by Pakistanians. There are too few people there, and it is hard for them to make a loud voice.

I read the part about Bugti being killed and the Pakistanis are not too thrilled about an investigation. Also that they are upset about the influx of Afghan immigrants who seem to have a big voice than the locals. Pakistan is continuing to respond to the Baloch problem with miltiary actions and it seems to be a political one. While some have chosen to wage a political war while others have resulted into the force of arms. That may not play well in Washington, for now.

CHUQ · #10 (**permalink**) 10-12-2006, 06:01 AM

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Although this certainly isn't authoritative, a friend of mine who served in Kurdistan in the 90s and still visits there frequently says that the Kurds are big believers in blood feuds, and conversely, blood debts. Saving them from Saddam has made them grateful and they will continue to be our staunch allies until they believe the debt is paid(or we stab them in the back by selling them out).

The blood fued and debts is a major player in all of the ME. As I have said before, loyalties are family, clan tribe and then possibly nation. And the later of your statements is more likely for a Kurdistan who effect Turkey, Jordan and Iraq, mostly, and would impact any dealings we will have with these countries.