SOLDIER GETS 90 YRS - Political Forum

CHUQ · 11-17-2006, 07:08 AM

This is about the rape and killings in Iraq

Soldier gets 90 years in Iraq rape case - Yahoo! News

CHUQ · 11-18-2006, 10:01 AM

You have got to be kidding! Is it justice?

Coyote Says · 11-18-2006, 10:53 AM

I hate it that because of the failure of the leadership, the soldiers are out doing all kinds of crazy things. As usual, the enlisted heads are the ones to roll. Why aren't the officers who are ultimately responsible for them being held accountable in any way?

That said, he raped and killed a 14yo girl. If it had been my little girl I'd kill him myself. In 20 years he will be eligible for parole. I would say that it's not long enough considering the magnitude of the cruelty, but there are mitigating circumstances. It's hard to tell what's real and what's right in the thick of war, especially when the leadership doesn't seem to care.

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"The bottom line is they were not giving the soldiers the tools, were not giving the soldiers the combat stress treatment, were not giving them enough troops on the ground to fulfill their mission," defense attorney David Sheldon said after the sentencing.

CHUQ · 11-18-2006, 11:20 AM

Your question-- Why aren't the officers who are ultimately responsible for them being held accountable in any way?

Because the officers protect their own, the enlisted men are nothing more than tools for them to use on their upward trek through the ranks.

FRYandBENDER · 11-18-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CHUQ

Your question-- Why aren't the officers who are ultimately responsible for them being held accountable in any way?

Because the officers protect their own, the enlisted men are nothing more than tools for them to use on their upward trek through the ranks.

I'm sure that is true for a few officers, but you gotta think, they used to be privates and other lower level soldiers also. They didn't just pop in as officers. I'm sure that kind of thing happens, and probably more so the farther up you go, but I would like to believe that there is a little more more honor and comradery in our military.

Of coarse, as always, I'm not ruling out the possiblity that I could be wrong.

FRYandBENDER · 11-18-2006, 08:51 PM

I alhso find it pretty rediculous that the left makes such a big deal about our soldiers raping Iraqi children and call for drastic action and justice, but in our country when a citizen rapes a child these leftist judges say that they just need help and therapy.

Again, what a bunch of bullshit.

rakkasan · 11-18-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote Says

I hate it that because of the failure of the leadership, the soldiers are out doing all kinds of crazy things. As usual, the enlisted heads are the ones to roll. Why aren't the officers who are ultimately responsible for them being held accountable in any way?

That said, he raped and killed a 14yo girl. If it had been my little girl I'd kill him myself. In 20 years he will be eligible for parole. I would say that it's not long enough considering the magnitude of the cruelty, but there are mitigating circumstances. It's hard to tell what's real and what's right in the thick of war, especially when the leadership doesn't seem to care.

great post and something that has been bothering me

but with the war as it is , senior leadership is leaving at a huge rate

we are losing the "age" in the enlisted NCO ranks

and young SGT are not as capable of stopping this kind of shit due to lack of experience and backbone

its sad

CHUQ · 11-19-2006, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rakkasan

great post and something that has been bothering me

but with the war as it is , senior leadership is leaving at a huge rate

we are losing the "age" in the enlisted NCO ranks

and young SGT are not as capable of stopping this kind of shit due to lack of experience and backbone

its sad

Why are the more experienced NCOs leaving the service?

Scruff · 11-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Rakkasan, since you are in a unique position to know, I'd like to ask if you would directly agree with the assessment that this is the fault of the officers in spite of the soldiers being totally independent and functional human beings in the large part? I mean, would it not be fair to say that just as most civilians would not rape and kill a 14 year old girl, most soldiers would not, yet there are some exceptions?

I agree that there have been a lot of failings with leadership in Iraq, but is this example one of them? Even with exceptionally good leadership can you disuade someone who has the intent to engage in criminal behavior to yield to authority? I think the answer to that is uncertain since it will vary from case to case, but overall I think the answer is no, particularly if the case isn't premeditated far in advance, which I believe was probably the case because of the nature of the crime.

rakkasan · 11-19-2006, 07:00 PM

leadership stops stupidity

being there, supervising keeeping IDLE HANDS BUSY

eleviates criminal behavior

will it always? are some people gonna crack under combat conditions and do terrible things when someone isnt there? yes they will its inevetable

but most of this stuff is leadership driven, had leaders there DONE THEIR JOBS , in some cases had accountability of where their people were

some of these wouldnt happen