Coverage of Israel's 60th Birthday - Page 8 - Political Forum

Parisyann · #71 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerreh

Why did Arabs remove the Jews? Because the Jews created the state of Israel and removed the Arabs. If the Jews wanted their own state, let them live their.

My God, did you really believe the crap you've just posted here? Do you mean to say that every country in the world has the right to kick out legal immigrants just because those immigrants have their own country already?

francois60 · #72 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 10:46 PM

Why the Jews left or were kicked out doesn't matter. The fact is, Israel caused a population transfer, and a necessary one because Muslims and Jews didn't get along very well.

As for better treatment, yes, Jews got better treatment. Instead of being exterminated they were merely treated much like African-Americans under Jim Crow.

presluc · #73 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerreh

Two questions you need to ask:

1. Why did Arabs remove the Jews? Because the Jews created the state of Israel and removed the Arabs. If the Jews wanted their own state, let them live their.

2. Why were their so many Jews in Muslim nations? Because Muslim nations treated the Jews much better than any other nation. Jews fled to Muslim lands from Europe because the Muslims treated the Jews much better. Otherwise, their would not be so many Jews in Muslim lands.

Answer to your questions.

1 Jewish people do have their own state it's called Israel.
2Why are so many jewish people in "muslim" nations, since when did the mideast belong to a religion?

LoveDubai · #74 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by presluc

Answer to your questions.

1 Jewish people do have their own state it's called Israel.
2Why are so many jewish people in "muslim" nations, since when did the mideast belong to a religion?

Israel is an creating of the un and England.

But i think Israel can be a good state, as long as the Zionist dont control israel!

francois60 · #75 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 05:54 AM

Israel is an creating of the un and England.

Israel was actually created by the Jews that lived there. The UN and Britain had no means to enforce their desire to create a state of Israel. It was Israelis who defeated the Arab invasion in 1948.

The Lying Dutchman · #76 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by francois60

Israel is an creating of the un and England.

Israel was actually created by the Jews that lived there. The UN and Britain had no means to enforce their desire to create a state of Israel. It was Israelis who defeated the Arab invasion in 1948.

the balfour declaration and un support showed that the west was openly supporting the settlement of a jewish state. there was no possibility for full scale warfare in the context of the international balance of power.

francois60 · #77 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 08:01 AM

A couple of corrections:

1) It wasn't the West that supported Israel. It was the entire world. The Arabs were totally on their own in opposing it. It wasn't until Arab oil became very important to the world economy that most nations found it in their interest to side with the Arabs.

2) Jewish immigration to Palestine was mainly driven by the deteriorating situation in Europe between the 20s and the 40s.

Regardless of what the world wanted, the Jews would have fought for their own state eventually. There are national liberation movements all over the world, none of which particularly care if the world approves of their cause.

Parisyann · #78 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by francois60

It wasn't the West that supported Israel. It was the entire world. The Arabs were totally on their own in opposing it. It wasn't until Arab oil became very important to the world economy that most nations found it in their interest to side with the Arabs.

Excellent point, too often overlooked. I like your screen-name, françois60, by the way.

The Lying Dutchman · #79 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by francois60

A couple of corrections:

1) It wasn't the West that supported Israel. It was the entire world. The Arabs were totally on their own in opposing it. It wasn't until Arab oil became very important to the world economy that most nations found it in their interest to side with the Arabs.

2) Jewish immigration to Palestine was mainly driven by the deteriorating situation in Europe between the 20s and the 40s.

Regardless of what the world wanted, the Jews would have fought for their own state eventually. There are national liberation movements all over the world, none of which particularly care if the world approves of their cause.

well simply put the entire world without the arab nations doesnt comprise the entire world, and it seems a bit strange to say it is a justifiable decision to support a nation in an area when the entire area is opposed and easy to make for those countries that are not from the region itself. also dont forget that the international community upholds universal standards free from material interests that make us condemn the actions of israel and palestina, this criticism and sympathy does not come from oil dependancy.

and offcourse jews immigrated to palestine, but that doesnt create legitimacy to build your own state, there is such a thing as the sovereignty of the palestinians aswell.

presluc · #80 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LoveDubai

Israel is an creating of the un and England.

But i think Israel can be a good state, as long as the Zionist dont control israel!

Palestine can be a good state as long as terrorist and suicide bombers don't control Palestine.