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Originally Posted by Kerreh
You're touching concern for the other indigenous populations of the globe and their suffering under colonisation is made to look pretty sad when it becomes clear that this does not apply if they happen to be ethnically Arabic.
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If this is aimed at me then it is not my position and you have misunderstood me. Although on further thought I think possibly it is not meant at me and it is a good point.
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Originally Posted by Kerreh
Not even one of you attempted to explain why a small number of European colonists should have rights over a larger number of the indigenous population and be given the larger percentage of the available land?
Israel is a colonial country, the majority of the Zionist population who moved there had no connection to the area. They moved there and displaced the local population and then demanded their own nation despite holding less land than the local population and having a minority of the population. The local population were not that keen on this, huge shock to you but not to anyone else in the world apparently it is normative behaviour to you for the local population to go along with this.
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This is true and I have never quite been able to understand why it happened except guilt over the holocaust and actions taken by Jews who were there like bringing more Jews to the area and acts of terrorism against the British.
However, the clock is not going to be put back on this. Too many people are living in Israel and Israel is far too strong militarily to allow anyone to wipe it off the map.
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Originally Posted by Kerreh
The local population displaced took up arms in order to fight back (after a period of decades when they lacked any leadership and did nothing) as they oppose the most powerful military state in the region and have very little access to weapons they use what are commonly referred to as terrorist means and live among the refugee camps with the rest of the displaced population. This according to you means that they have a different mindset to the Jewish population who only resort to terrorism when they are building their military up and once they possess uniforms, overwhelming military strength and nuclear weapons no loner engage in this practice but kill far larger numbers of innocent civilians with this overwhelming strength than the terrorists do.
I assume you guys all know this. But it's much easier to keep finger-pointing and keep doing what you're doing, because fixing the real issues would actually require sacrifices on the israelis part.
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Well you keep using you guys so I don't know if your talking about me here too but I'm pretty much in agreement with you here.
What is needed is a solution that can give the nearest to justice that we can get.....
and I rather liked it when you suggested
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Originally Posted by Kerreh
Israel really needs to just GIVE UP on the very idea of a "homeland for the Jews," and just absorb the West Bank and Gaza and give all the Palestinians a right to vote.
This will give the Israelis the land they want to build on but it will also grant citizenship to the Palestinians, who could then work within the system and buy their own homes or rent their own apartments.
This insistence that the Jews have a "homeland" is where the problem is at and it's completely undemocratic. It is a modern apartheid.
In a democracy, you let the people who are living in a particular are vote for representation that creates policy which affects them.
There can be no "two-state solution." There can only be a "one-state solution."
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So maybe that is me saying I don't want Israel..but it is not meaning it in the way I thought it was being suggested - like tell all the Israeli people to depart.
It is one suggestion. Do not Jews live happily with Muslims in other areas in the world? Is there any reason why it is impossible for a State to be created that could provide Justice to both Jews and Muslims?
The present situation most certainly is not doing that.
And then, if such a state was created would it have any chance of becoming
run by extreme Muslims like in Iran. I ask that because I suspect it will be said it will.
What you present as the idea to solve the situation is the most 'correct' one I would think on issues of what is morally correct.
However I suspect we might be waiting 10,000,000 years for this to happen as things are at the moment and every day I see the situation for Palestinian people getting worse.
So I guess, a beginning is trying to stop the on going deterioration of their lives and one would hope that if the American people in general were more aware of the situation they might see this also. Then hopefully we could begin to get things dealt with at the United Nations.
Edit: I should add that my reason for suspecting American people need to become more aware of the situation was because this thread was begun with a question as to whether the 60th anniversary of the State of Israel was covered in the US and it appearing it was not. I therefor assumed it wasn't covered because that would have necessitated going into how it was created in some way. I assumed the US is not keen for its citizens to look into this.
, the answer is I don't want to go back at all.
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