It didn't take long, did it?

Even the slightest hint of criticism of ANYTHING to do with Israel or Jews, even the mention of historical events and I am immediately labelled a hateful anti-Semite.

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Yes. England was only about half as bigoted in regards to jews as germans were. This is still pretty true, remember it was England that laid the foundations of the Israeli state. So yes your opinion seems rather tainted by facts, and I seriously doubt if I got into conversation with you about Israel you'd be much of an Israel supporter.

The jews are definitely the most hated people on earth, so yea I'm highly defensive of them.

I take back the thng, you have te right to say anything, I just think its ugly watching so many Europeans give Israel as much crap as they do.

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I apologize if the wording was bad, his views on jews are anti-Zionist at least. Is that fair, I geuss thats what I mean.

You mean when Israeli helicopters blow up something and kill some innocent people in the process is not terrorism? The UN is always on Israel's side. When Israel does bad things, nobody blame on Israel. Whereas Arabs does bad things, it is terrorism. Israel state was formed by forcing Palestinians out from their land, killing hundreds of them in the process. That's why there's conflict between them. Why does Jews want to be with the Muslims when it is better on the other side?

A Somber Anniversary, The Nation: The Long Conflict With The Palestinians Casts A Pall On Israel's 60th Birthday - CBS News

This guy seems to be know why Israel shouldn't celebrate their independence.

"His views" is still worded in a way that is vague and a personal attack. Anyone can say that guy's views are racist, that guy's views are Nazi, that guy's views are fascist. You may call his COMMENTS, REMARKS, WHAT HE SAID, anti-semitic, racist or whatever. By calling someone's "views" something, it is an unverifiable and personal attack on someone.

It is hard to verify if someone's "views" are racist, since that can mean any number of things. It is possible to verify if someone's comments are racist, since that is a very specific charge.


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Bottom line Israel is Americas ally.
America does not refer to England has limeys
America does not refer the Japanese people as Japs.
America does not refer the the Chinese as chinks.
If America is to keep her allies they should show some respect.
Israel is an independant state of Jewish people.
Could there be that much of a streatch from jews to Israelies
In America we do not tell people what religion to worship, do we have the right to tell OUR ALLIES.

Since when does America choose it's allies based on what other countries say?

The Nation has horrible bias, its a decent report on the Israeli side, but again its lopsided. Palestinians are not n innocent people Sometimes I feel for them but all to often they show themselves to be untenable to peace. I know some Israelis are as well, quelling the two extremes is the answer, but good luck.


Anyways I do apologize for the anti Semite comments its a bit much reading it now, just I haven't talked to one European that sees it from Israel's view, rather disheartening considering Europeans history with Jews as a whole.

Just what are you accusing my ancestors of doing?

The link I gave earlier on in this thread was to a letter written to the Guardian by some Jews in the UK.

It would appear that even Jews can have different points of view.

What exactly has America gained by having Israel as an ally? Why do we care about Israel? It is not bias against Israel to say we shouldn't support them, it's called looking after yourself.