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Regarding Ramzi Hashem Abed and al-Qaeda in Iraq during the Saddam days, it reads:
Abed: Our Ansar Al-Islam military camps were in Halabja.
Investigator: This was in the days of the previous regime?
Abed: Yes.
Investigator: And now?
Abed: Now, there is nothing. They were all scattered. The training area was in Falluja.
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Fair enough, I missed that, but I honesty cannot accept this person as proof that there were Al Qaeda training camps in Iraq before the war. The link I gave you had as it's heading
'Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam, al Qaida'
There is no proof.
But you are right just one person seems to be enough sometimes.
We could look at the case of Curveball
'In the late 1990s an Iraqi engineer turned up in Germany seeking asylum. Codenamed Curveball, he was questioned by German intelligence, and what he told them was shocking. He claimed he had witnessed a biological weapons programme in Iraq.
His information was passed on to the CIA, and it became a cornerstone of the intelligence case that Colin Powell made to the United Nations on the case for war. The only problem was, none of Curveball's claims were true. And, moreover, many of the holes in his story had been identified months before Colin Powell's presentation.'
BBC NEWS | Talk about Newsnight | Tuesday, 25 March, 2008
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About Saddam allowing the U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq, you are right, but even Hans Blix said that Saddam and his leaders were giving the inspectors the run around and refused to show them certain areas.
I do agree with you that the inspectors should have had more time
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That is what the UN were asking for and what should have been given when we are dealing with so many people's lives and in particular when a country such as the US, which because of it's superior arms could be more than certain it would achieve its objective with very little loss of American lives. Furthermore to go ahead into this war which was not an emergency, with no viable end plan to ensure for peace for the people in Iraq raises questions about the US motives, particularly when one of the reasons given for the war, certainly here in the UK was to help the people of Iraq.
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I don’t believe we were lied to about Iraq’s WMD or its connections with al-Qaeda or other terror networks.
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I refer you to my above quote concerning Colin Powel and the link about there being no proof about Al Qaeda in Iraq prior to the war. And further
'Although German intelligence officials had warned the CIA that Curveball's claims were unreliable, and UN inspectors had failed to corroborate them, the Bush administration promoted the existence of such mobile labs for months after the invasion.
Now Curveball denies having made the claims in the first place. The BBC 2 programme Newsnight broadcast last night secretly filmed footage of the discredited agent who was approached by Der Spiegel magazine in his German hideout where he declined to give a formal interview. His face was blanked out in the footage in which a reporter asked him on his doorstep whether he had ever spoken about Iraq's biological weapons. Curveball replied "No."'
Firedoglake » “Curveball” Revealed
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Is there a better solution than fighting terrorists and foiling their plans? I would like to hear it. However, the mentality of the enemy is very different from just about any America has ever encountered before. Our enemies seem to have the mentality that dates back a couple hundred years ago. They have said either we follow their version of the Koran or die by their sword.
When our enemies don’t want peace, but pieces of Americans scattered in the streets, flashing a peace sign and telling them to respect diversity isn’t going to stop them. I’m all for other ways of finding peace with them, but that doesn’t mean we should foolishly stop going after our enemies and preventing their attacks on innocent people.
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The lives of all people should be respected. The lives of the people of Iraq as much as the lives of the people of America.
I have no time at all for the leaders of Al Qaeda, or any terrorist group which shows no respect for life. None at all. I do not see such people risking their own lives in the way they manage to get others, frequently previously very decent people, to do their nasty work.
No, I do not think there is any way of speaking to these people. A few years ago I came across a link which said that many of these people who originally fought in the Afghan war were let out of Saudi jails where they were held for murder, but proof could not be found. Apparently they hoped these people who seemed somewhat psychopathic would be killed in this war.
These people want to do things which Muslim people do not want. They want to build Taliban regimes. They have no respect for life.......
But the reason they are able to get recruits is first and foremost the situation in Palestine. At his speech after 9/11 Tony Blair spoke about how this situation would be looked into as part of the package, yet the US continues to support Israel regardless of what it does.
Find a just solution to the Palestinian problem and people will send people like Bin Laden off to do his own suicide bombing, which he most certainly will not want to do..
However the situation remains that both the people in the US and the people in the UK were given false information. This is not right. Our reporters did do a very good job of keeping us informed about the truth. That did not stop us being dragged into a war which I think was against the will of the people.
I think it is vital in Democracies that we do not let people take us into wars on false premises so am hoping we will be having a proper investigation when all our troops are home.