There is another threadsomehwer, about a ship full of arms send by China to zim. This ship was not allowed to ofload in SA, an is now sailing along the African coast looking for a friendly port. Well, the saga goes on:

New arms for Zim being flown in: Africa: Zimbabwe: News24

Can there now be any doubt that Chia is not goofd for Africa, but only wants to prob up corruption and dictatorships to fit it's own needs? Just shows that not all investment and aid is good for Africa.

MUGABE MUST GO!!

AH

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I agree 100%. Unfortunately, any aid given to Africa in any form will be to fit the giving nation's interests. China is the worst possible example imo.

But think of it from a strategic stand point; what's the point in helping someone else if you're not getting anything in return? I know it sounds selfish, even evil, but sadly, that's the way world politics work.

China seems to like calling others imperialists, yet they seem to ognore the effects of their own inflluence. China does not seem to care about dead Africans, but only about making money. Seems China may be more capitalist than they previously thought.

I guess China is not a tiny bit better than Europe in this regard. Regarding Europe however there is at least the excuse of wanting to help or safe human rights. Chinas policy is more straight forward: "Give us your resources and we help you in staying at power"

I found it interesting how this ship could not unload because of unions and civil courage rather than the South African government doing what should be done.

Yeah "no matter what we're doing to our own people: from China with love"!

I found it interesting, too. Sounds like we people need to take care of the world ourselves otherwise most of our governments woudn't. More credits to human rights, freedom of speech & most media in this regard.

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You won't hear this often, but in my governments defence - thre is no arms aembargo against Zim, not from SDEC, the AU or UN. Only palrlament can instate an imbargo if it is not by these orgs. So technically our govenment had no legal reason to stop the arms from reaching Zim.

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”

Exactly why the real ruler in this story is the judicial system as you said earlier which can easily convey the actions of a big group of people to make their government acts for the common good as we often witness in the US. Unfortunately I don't know much about other countries in Europe but in France lots of progress need to be done on this. Regards

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I dont know the legal details so well, but Zimbabwe is a region where its very likely that weapons will be used against the people in a suppressive way. I would be surprised if it would be legal in Austria to send weapons to Zimbabwe right now.

I think that it lacks on something even far more fundamental in the South African government: the will to stop that arms transport.

Westerners continue to use money to control those puppet organizations and their remaining breeds in their old colonies, and cannot tolerate any country that stands against western cultural hegemony. If Zimbabwe is suppressed by South Africa and Mozambique, and cannot receive its own orders, why not ship them to Sudan? They are just some bullets and rockets. I am sure Muslim organizations in the Middle East are interested.

Uhm, china already ships weapons to the Muslim government in Sudan. That is part of the problem.

And SA supresing Zim?Boy, you don't readthe papers do you? Sa is being critized for not doing anything to help Zim, and now you are the sole voice saying otherwise.

AH

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“The subject no longer has to be mentioned by name. Someone is sick. Someone else is feeling better now. A friend has just gone back into the hospital. Another has died. The unspoken name, of course, is AIDS.”
“From the point of view of the pharmaceutical industry, the AIDS problem has already been solved. After all, we already have a drug which can be sold at the incredible price of $8, 000 an annual dose, and which has the added virtue of not diminishing the market by actually curing anyone.”