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Old 03-19-2008, 10:18 AM
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Keep in mind that the U.S. gets most of its oil from Canada and Mexico; neither are members of OPEC.
Show me where the gas stations are that get their oil from non-opec countries. Their fuel is cheaper, right? Well their oil IS cheaper but when that oil gets here, the oil prices are raised buy greedy, traitorous oil execs.
We need to reinstate regulation in this country. Corporate America has already proven that they care more about their own self than the good of the country as a whole.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:36 AM
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The U.S. will soon catch up to the U.K. in the price of petrol. As a matter of fact, we will likely surpass England, as the English pound and Euro are stronger currencies than the dollar. Gasoline is still amazingly cheap. We pay more for gallon of pepsi or gal. bottled drinking water than we do for a gallon of gas. On an equal voluum basis, we spend more for tea, coffee, beer, shampo, etc. Considering the potential of oil to produce the needed energy for important work, we treat it like it a cheap waste product. When it goes to $10 a gallon, it may finally get the respect it deserves.
Amazingly cheap??! What!?
2 years ago I was paying $1.19 a gallon for regular!
These items you used for comparison do not hold our country a bay if prices increase. They do not determine whether or not the country fails...oil does.
We do not "run" on shampoo, coffee or tea. (notice I left out beer)
I can go for a month on a Lb. of coffee or a bottle of shampoo or a box of tea...about $4.00 each....how long does a gallon of gas cost you and how long does it last?
I don't know about all of you but I respect the hell of of gas and diesel. Gas in the Rubicon and diesel in my boat.
Buy the way...diesel IS a cheap waste product. It cost nothing to make.
Respectfully...stop being so understanding. See this as it really is...


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Agreed. But that will take years and we need solutions now.
If the gosh-darn tree huggers would smarten-up and work with us normal people we could have other local options- Mexico, Alaska, South America all offer options.........but NNNOOOOOOOO, instead we worry about owls and turtles...

Boy, I'm glad we have our priorities in order.
Try blaming the fukklers setting the prices. Its not supply and demand, its greed and demand!
If raising the price on an item doesn't create MORE of that product, then what does raising the price do for the problem except put more profit in the hands of the owner.
Diesel costs nothing to make. It is a by product from making gasoline.
That 4.10 a gallon is pure profit!
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High gas prices will lead to the market naturally switching to an alternative fuel source. This is the free market at work. We don't need to subsidize gasoline to keep it around longer.

Maybe people will start walking more, and use some public transportation.
Nobut boy do we need to reinstate regulation!
The "free" market is killing this country!
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Try blaming the fukklers setting the prices. Its not supply and demand, its greed and demand!
If raising the price on an item doesn't create MORE of that product, then what does raising the price do for the problem except put more profit in the hands of the owner.
Diesel costs nothing to make. It is a by product from making gasoline.
That 4.10 a gallon is pure profit!
It is supply and demand as the Chinese (and Indian ) economies grow this will become more apparant the price will continue to rise with production at near 100% capacity.

Diesel is easier to refine than gasoline but it still needs refining (which costs $) and it needs more filtration as it contains more pollutents .

The sooner we lessen our dependence on oil the better it will run out one day the cost is only heading in one direction and the countries that have the biggest reserves exploit our addiction both politically and financially .
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I'm glad we do. I will repeat myself, increasing supply doesn't solve anything. It's decreasing demand that is paramount. You can dig up all the oil you want, till the new deposits are tapped and oil starts flowing out, it'll be years. We should'nt waste that time fighting a battle that is lost and just postponing the outcome, we should invest it in doing what matters most and will in the end be a huge step towards solving the problem and getting back to an energy usage that is sustainable - reduce consumption by increasing efficiency.
Increasing supply does help in the short term, but in the long term you are correct. Alternative sources are going to have be used because the demand is only going dramatically increase as former third world nations continue to develop.
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It is supply and demand as the Chinese (and Indian ) economies grow this will become more apparant the price will continue to rise with production at near 100% capacity.

Diesel is easier to refine than gasoline but it still needs refining (which costs $) and it needs more filtration as it contains more pollutents .

The sooner we lessen our dependence on oil the better it will run out one day the cost is only heading in one direction and the countries that have the biggest reserves exploit our addiction both politically and financially .
Ok, so it's only $4.00 per gallon of profit.
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Supply and demand doesn't set the price.
The oil company's do.
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Amazingly cheap??! What!?
2 years ago I was paying $1.19 a gallon for regular!
These items you used for comparison do not hold our country a bay if prices increase. They do not determine whether or not the country fails...oil does.
We do not "run" on shampoo, coffee or tea. (notice I left out beer)
I can go for a month on a Lb. of coffee or a bottle of shampoo or a box of tea...about $4.00 each....how long does a gallon of gas cost you and how long does it last?
I don't know about all of you but I respect the hell of of gas and diesel. Gas in the Rubicon and diesel in my boat.
Buy the way...diesel IS a cheap waste product. It cost nothing to make.
Respectfully...stop being so understanding. See this as it really is...
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You are making my argument for me. Absolutely, oil (gas) is far more important than shampoo, coffee, tea, soda or bottled water (note: I did do not include beer). Not only is oil absolutely critical to our lives - but it is also finite. It took millions of years to be formed, and we are draining it away at an astounding rate. We have already used up the best and "easy" supplies and now are left with the dregs. Let me make myself clear. We do not have a right to cheap and abundant oil! If you think you are hurting now, in the not-too-distant future you will remember $4 gasoline as the good old days. As a matter of fact, you may be nostalgic for the days when you could buy gas anytime you wanted it. Exxon and other major oil producers are warning that the days of easy oil are over. That is code for "You ain't seen nothing yet."
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Supply and demand doesn't set the price.
The oil company's do.
That simply is not true. The oil companies sell as much oil as they can, and they do not gouge. They do not control the prices, supply and demand do. And they get the oil from producers depending on that S&D.

In the 2007 Fiscal year, Chevron pulled a profit margin of 8.46%, Exxon Pulled a profit margin of 10.04%, Royal Dutch Shell pulled a profit margin of 8.97%,
ConocoPhillips pulled a profit margin of 6.11%.
XOM - Exxon Mobil Corporation - Google Finance
CVX - Chevron Corporation - Google Finance
RDS.A - Royal Dutch Shell plc (ADR) - Google Finance
COP - ConocoPhillips - Google Finance

These are all fair market profit margins. They are not gouging anyone. They just sell a whole lot of oil, becuase we are all addicted to the consumption of it.

This is what a real monopoly looks like: Microsoft pulled a profit margin of 27.51%.
MSFT - Microsoft Corporation - Google Finance

Additionally, I will call out the false statements made here:
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2 years ago I was paying $1.19 a gallon for regular!
It just is not true: A Primer On Gasoline Prices
THREE years ago the average gas prices in the U.S. were $2.27 a gallon.

Gas hasn't been $1.19 a gallon in about 6-8 years, depending on where you live.
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