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Old 03-03-2008, 11:15 AM
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US misile strike in Somalia

US launch strike in Somalia: Africa: News: News24

I am often wondering if these kind ofstrikes work/ And is it worth it? The old SA government used to love these kind of attacks, but often innocents die. that having been said, I admit that I don't have a better suggestion.

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Old 03-03-2008, 11:30 AM
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Awesome, soon we'll be fighting in Africa too!

I've been hearing that our soldiers are learning new languages for when we take the fight to Africa and that we now have a commander for the African theater. Is there any end in sight?
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:40 AM
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That would make sense, wouldn't it? Let's look at the demographics of Islam.



As you can see, there is a very dense Muslim population across the northern half of Africa. Obviously, these countries will assist/harbor/breed radical Islamists, as they have in the past. Osama bin Laden himself lived in Sudan for a number of years, and AQs second in charge, Al-Zawahiri is from Egypt (as are many of his followers from Egypt's Islamic Jihad). On top of that, Africa is long over-due some serious attention; staying out of the troubled countries of Africa hasn't exactly made them any better, has it?

Special Operations is also setting up a command in theater, which will probably be co-located with USAFRICOM in Stuttgart, Germany. This will bring not only HVT hunters and quick strike capabilities to the continent, but PSYOPS and Civil Affairs assistance as well, which will make a significant impact on the stability and welfare of the region in the long run.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:11 AM
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African assimilation

I too wonder if these strikes are very effective. I believe from what I have read and know that we have the capability to actually see (but not identify individuals) from satelites, drones or high flying aircraft and our ordinance is very accurate, but I believe a termination team on the ground (with proper support) would be more certain of success and possibly harm less civilians. But countries get really angry when you put troops on their land even when they are harboring terrorists. Perhaps this strike was effective; we should know soon. We did get one just last week. I imagine that the knowledge among terrorists that the USA can reach out and touch somebody anywhere may scare the hell out of them and deter some from acting.
Even back in 1966 when I went to the language school (DLIWC) in Monterey, CA I could have studied Swahili or a couple of other African languages and there were troops there doing that. In the US we train ttroops in all languages and have for decades. It's nothing new and indicates no intent to go to war in Africa.
The Muslims in Africa are for the most part not as fanatical as those in the Arab countries and the religion is not taken as seriously. Most of them are nominal Islamics and live very secularly. It's like being a Protestant in the USA. Remember that Islam came to Africa by conquest by Arabs for the purpose of slave trading and was assimilated into the basic African belief systems of the time. It is a strange type of Islam. Still, there are some there who are fanatics and need to be weeded out.
Africa is a pitiful continent. It has suffered from Imperialism and modern economic rape. It's people are poor, destitute and dying of AIDS by the thousands. IMO we should be helping them far more than the few billion per year we send there and spending far less on a war in Iraq.
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That would make sense, wouldn't it? Let's look at the demographics of Islam.



As you can see, there is a very dense Muslim population across the northern half of Africa. Obviously, these countries will assist/harbor/breed radical Islamists, as they have in the past. Osama bin Laden himself lived in Sudan for a number of years, and AQs second in charge, Al-Zawahiri is from Egypt (as are many of his followers from Egypt's Islamic Jihad). On top of that, Africa is long over-due some serious attention; staying out of the troubled countries of Africa hasn't exactly made them any better, has it?

Special Operations is also setting up a command in theater, which will probably be co-located with USAFRICOM in Stuttgart, Germany. This will bring not only HVT hunters and quick strike capabilities to the continent, but PSYOPS and Civil Affairs assistance as well, which will make a significant impact on the stability and welfare of the region in the long run.
Hmm how long I wonder before we can colour europe in green too
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Missile strike is a nice word for bombing.
What is the sense behind this? You usually make yourself unpopular and hit the wrong ones.
I wonder why it seems to be impossible to question them.
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I don't getthe relevance of themap. Is Islam the enemy of the US?

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better suggestion

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US launch strike in Somalia: Africa: News: News24
I am often wondering if these kind ofstrikes work/ And is it worth it? The old SA government used to love these kind of attacks, but often innocents die. that having been said, I admit that I don't have a better suggestion.

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the better suggestion are not t o bomb.
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Old 03-23-2008, 03:57 PM
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Awesome, soon we'll be fighting in Africa too!
I've been hearing that our soldiers are learning new languages for when we take the fight to Africa and that we now have a commander for the African theater. Is there any end in sight?
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no there are n o end. this are why i see Cheney on TV in middle east talking with Saudi. i wonder what there really talk abaout? the guy on TV say Cheney talk t o Saudi hope to keep low price o f oil.
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That would make sense, wouldn't it? Let's look at the demographics of Islam.



On top of that, Africa is long over-due some serious attention; staying out of the troubled countries of Africa hasn't exactly made them any better, has it?
Oh goody, yet another pointless intervention in another states affairs. What are the odds of the union jack will fly alongside the stars and stripes?

Fingers crossed they won't if this one were to kick off (and I don't usually say that).
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