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Old 05-14-2008, 06:54 PM   #41 (permalink)
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that sickens me, my jewish cousins my own family perfectly normal humans get a title on the forum called "white familys worst enemy". the african american culture reduced to being called "mud people"
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:09 AM   #42 (permalink)
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that sickens me, my jewish cousins my own family perfectly normal humans get a title on the forum called "white familys worst enemy". the african american culture reduced to being called "mud people"
They don't just have no respect for Jews, and non-whites. They HATE THEM. HATE as in WANT TO DESTROY THEM, or at the very least put them on a boat bound for another continent...
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:26 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Maybe internet censorship isn't such a bad idea. I sure wouldn't mind if sites like that were blocked.
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:28 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I say let em' be racist but enforce the law. They may be racist all they wish, but if any crime can be traced back to those sites, then they should be sued and jailed.
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I always have no idea at what degree people can be racist, and this kind of forum just reminds me how vile Human Nature can be.

To quote Von Goethe, hatred is something peculiar. You will always find it strongest and most violent where there is the lowest degree of culture.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:49 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I always have no idea at what degree people can be racist, and this kind of forum just reminds me how vile Human Nature can be.

To quote Von Goethe, hatred is something peculiar. You will always find it strongest and most violent where there is the lowest degree of culture.

I agree.Very well said.Unfortunately,uneducated people tend to flirt with demagogy(Demagogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and populist rhetoric.
They are the most likely people to be rapidly endoctrinated.See Hitler during the 1920s.He perfectly used demagogy,logical fallacies and populist rhetoric to gain proeminence and succeed in Germany.Same for most dictators worldwide throughout history who used similar tactics to climb to power.


To be frank though,I have truly no desire to debate with those persons essentially because they believe that their supposedly civilized and respectful views are superior and can't be argued.Those racist forums are basically the place for degenerate,dictatorial,oppressive,anti-democratic folks .I don't care at all of their supposedly ''awakening'' in regards to modern society and how any people who oppose to their sadsack views are brainwashed due to massive propaganda or not able to reason and think because of it.Their arrogance and self-rightneouss is annoying.

I personally oppose to their racist,demagogic and discriminatory views because they do not respect democracy and promote hate,oppression,open crime and violence.They're not really different of criminals in my opinion.I find their hypocrisy quite amusing as they mention how they are not promoting hatred against other groups,but rather trying to preserve and protect the white ''race'' and such.The double-standard they often use to refer at something race-related is stunning.Plenty of half-truths guilt-by-association references,distortions,omissions,false dilemma,demonization,unrelated facts-exactly what define demagogy,isn't it?


But as a staunch supporter of freedom speech,I have to tolerate opinions who are in absolute conflict with my beliefs.There's nothing intelorable than neonazis or white supremacists,but we are in a free world where we can freely express our opinions and thoughts.

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To conclude,I think people can be and should be proud of their cultural,ethnic and social heritage.I have no problems with it at all.My concern is with white,black,asian,latino,etc nationalist extremist groups who consider other ethnic groups as scum or basically inferior people who don't deserve to exist.
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There's nothing intelorable than neonazis or white supremacists,but we are in a free world where we can freely express our opinions and thoughts.
Indeed. Actually, the resurgence of fascism and neo-Nazism in Europe (especially in Germany and Austria) is frightening.
As far as free speech is concerned, I am not 100% in favour of it for I believe there are some things that can't be allowed just in the name of free speech, but unfortunately, stating racist opinions is not one of them.

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It doesn't matter the colour or ethnic group, extremism is evil. Claiming black supremacy is as dangerous as claiming white supremacy. Personally, I'm not a fan of patriotism because I find that the line between patriotism and nationalism is not always clearly drawn, although they are two different things. The phrase "love for one's country" used by the two kinds of people (patriots and nationalists) is based on different concepts of the words "love", "one" and "country". Both patriots and nationalists want to be proud of their country. But, a nationalist starts with the assumption that his country is the best, a patriot, that his country is good but has flaws and can be "improved". All the unnecessary flag-waving, 'my country right or wrong' rhetoric, 'I support my president whatever he does' statement is narrow-minded, simplistic and dangerous, in my opinion.
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[quote=Shadedskies;194304]Indeed. Actually, the resurgence of fascism and neo-Nazism in Europe (especially in Germany and Austria) is frightening.
As far as free speech is concerned, I am not 100% in favour of it for I believe there are some things that can't be allowed just in the name of free speech, but unfortunately, stating racist opinions is not one of them.





It doesn't matter the colour or ethnic group, extremism is evil. Claiming black supremacy is as dangerous as claiming white supremacy. Personally, I'm not a fan of patriotism because I find that the line between patriotism and nationalism is not always clearly drawn, although they are two different things. The phrase "love for one's country" used by the two kinds of people (patriots and nationalists) is based on different concepts of the words "love", "one" and "country". Both patriots and nationalists want to be proud of their country. But, a nationalist starts with the assumption that his country is the best, a patriot, that his country is good but has flaws and can be "improved". All the unnecessary flag-waving, 'my country right or wrong' rhetoric, 'I support my president whatever he does' statement is narrow-minded, simplistic and dangerous, in my opinion.{QUOTE Shadedskies}
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Ever since the consideration of the concept of free speech it has been constantly argued that the right of freely express opinions is subject to restrictions and exceptions.I personally do not advocate absolute freedom of speech, especially when it could incite and promote antidemocratic and violent action.Unfortunately like you said,stating supremacist or racist opinions is allowed in some countries(see US with the 1st amendement)and disallowed in others,but I'm resigned to toleratetheir opinions,as a free speech supporter.Restrictions towards freedom of speech should be the exception,not the rule in my opinion.

I agree,there is always a certain confusion between the notions of patriotitism,nationalism,chauvinism and ethnoculturalism.The danger of endoctrinement and fanatism on every side though could result in bloody conflicts.

For example,nationalists define individual nations on the basis of certain criterias,which distinguish one nation from another,and determine who is a member of each nation.Nationalists view basically nations as an inclusive categorization of human beings-assigning every individual to one specific nation.Essentially nationalism views most human and interpersonal activity as national in character(national symbols,culture,music,litterature,identity,etc)

I'll post the wikipedia link discussing nationalism here Nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ah shit, that guy has an avatar with Obama getting a bullet to the head! Damn.... race issues are ..........so last generation.

Either way, let them cling to their ideals if they wish. It's not our decision or notion to think that they should act diplomatic and humane in regard to other peoples' situations. It's like religious beliefs in a sense, you'll never be able to strip either of those notions from people.... though most don't kill each other over the differences of religion (not in American anymore at least anyway) like they did race. But as it goes to show, it's all nonsense. Religious prosecution, prosecuting over race and being a bigot just based on observation alone, and not understanding is just stupid. And it will always be.

I don't hate racists. They're just fucked in the head, literally. Why hate them? That further instigates why they should hate.

And that was a nice mind opener, I've never seen a racist site on the Internet before. Wow.
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