Yeah, ya kinda meant to quote the source.

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i hope Mr. Howard can find a job similar to Mr. Blair's. We can use someone who has a straight head in this world.

He has a right head, not a straight head.

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Ok - but if you insist on being dishonest and plagerising others - at least try to find someone who knows what they are talking about. That really was pure drivel, and in many parts completely wrong.

Try learning about the subject for yourself and posting your own thoughts.

And here I was admiring a well written speech, if little else.

Plain and simple, Howards power went to his head. He had control of the senate and used this power to push through legislation such as work choices, which was obviously electorally unpopular.

The man and the coalition were out of touch. Look at the swing in some safe coalition seats, i mean queensland used to be a national party strong hold, now they only have three seats in the state. And not to mention the amount of safe seats that fell to the ALP.

People were fed up with the lies and the ingnorance in which the government conducted themselves over the last term...although i wonder how long Kevin Rudds Labor party will last in office?

u are such a ass this is a POLITICAL DISSCUSION FOURM not "consparicys r' us"
-the WMD thing was US intel not AUS (duh)
-the "childern overboard affair" was not aussie soliders throwing kids over those boats but the actual kids parents so how u blame howard is beyond me (i assume we are thinking of the same thing, but u were pretty vauge)
-the "bribes" was a business practice called "kick backs" where amounts of money are paid to secure contracts (aka the Iraqie oil) "kick backs" arn't uncommon at all and happen in DAILY business practices.
-the world had knowledge of that i would certainly hope that our goverment would ****ing know.
-DAVID HICKS should be done for treason, The man was a enemy combatint he even addmits it. Come on he flew over to the middle east and started working for extrimists. he didn't get a trial coz he was a POW and enemy combatants don't get trials. they get cells till the war is over or untill they get released.

so please take ur crazy and fling it around some where else. u dope

ps: howard saved our fair country form bankruptcy (not that your type would know that)

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The Bush administration invented the lie about WMDs in Iraq, but Howard went along with it. This makes him just as guilty.

I didn't see Hawk23 say anything about soldiers throwing kids overboard . The point is that the children's parent DID NOT throw their children overboard at all. The entire thing was a lie developed by Howard just before the 2001 election.

Even if this is 'daily business practices' it is still illegal. The problem is that these payments (which totalled $300 MILLION) were being payed to a murderous dictator, just before the invasion of the country, and were approved by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. But when there was an inquiry into the scandal, Howard's ministers, including Alexander Downer the head of DFAT, and Howard himself all claimed to know nothing about it.

Our government knew that the US was engaged in the use of torture which was in violation of international conventions, yet they raised no objections.

If the US knew David Hicks was an extremist, they would have had no trouble convicting him and placing a restraining order on him after his release. There was also the fact that he was held for a long period of time, and that there was no civilian access to Guantanamo Bay, which rightly lead to concerns that he could be held in unsatisfactory conditions and possibly subject to inappropriate interrogation techniques (ie torture). The fact that Howard didn't care about this was what angered people.

i admire how simple your view on the world is, let us now go and jail every defence lawyer who has ever had a client plead innocent and was found guilty. because that is the be all and end all of your logic. while we are at it there are millions of fraud victims in the world and they all were lied to and believed it let us persercute them to.
(am i getting my point across?)
unless you can prove Howard knew Bush was lying you have nothing to base this argument on.

Hmmmm i guess while we are jailing all the fraud victims we could write apologys to every nazi who was imprisoned in WW2 with out trial. coz that is the logic you use with David Hicks.
HE WAS A ENEMY SOILDER!!! please there are much more deserving people of your sympathy. don't wast you time defending that waste of air David Hicks.

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