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03-07-2008, 10:39 AM
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I lived with Native Americans (Inupiat Eskimos and Athabascan Indians) for roughly 28 years. Part of that time was spent engaged in cultural research. Cultures do not die easily. A Native American may wear clothes bought from a store, live in a modern home and watch t.v., but that does not mean that he or she has been "assimulated" into western society. The traditions, values and worldview of Natives tends to survive on for generations after the material culture and practices have largely disappeared. In some cases, this sets up a cultural clash within a Native as he struggles to find his place in the world. Aberrant, and even self distructive, behavior can result from this internal conflict. I am familiar some very sad cases of failed social adjustment, including suicide. However, the great majority of my experiences was positive and displayed the remarkable strength and wisdom of aboriginal Native Americans.
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Yes... the culture cannot die from the application of genocidal practices or an overlay of a dominant culture. Your culture is both spiritual, physical & tied to the land. You correctly idenitifed IMO some responses to attempts of denigration of a culture - self destruction self hate etc. Australia is inherently 'racist' a pathetic word coined to describe the outcome of the myth of race aka scientific racism... The battle is not over for Indigenous people but the pathway is stronger to liberty...
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03-08-2008, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bo-Dean-Of-Hearts
i don't see how they are being repressed if they are given the same (if not more) opportunities as white/westrn people or Pakeha.
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They have more oppurtinites than whites? Where exactly?
Yothu Yindi maybe? It's not that I would like to make a mockery of this band, I really love their songs, but what chances do they really have?
If they get born they have a life expectancy 20 years lower than the life expectancy of white Australians. If they grow up then probably with violence and drugs within the community. If they are adult they probably won't get a job. And if those adults get children they probably will have the same problems.
It's kind of repression if you lost your land and if you live in reservation camps, isn't it?
At least there was too much repression as they could forget it too easily, could go on and integrate and assimilate. How should this be possible? Should Whites assimilate or Aboriginals? Or do we expect that it are the Aboriginals that have to assimilate, not the Whites?
I hope the new government goes further with the "saying sorry" policy.
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03-11-2008, 11:29 AM
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If they get born they have a life expectancy 20 years lower than the life expectancy of white Australians. If they grow up then probably with violence and drugs within the community. If they are adult they probably won't get a job. And if those adults get children they probably will have the same problems.
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At some point in time you have to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get on with it...blaming people for your problems doesn't solve them it only gives them a life of their own, then they literally hold you back.
How many years and how many dollars are you willing to throw at the problem.
As for integration...only the most naive would assume there is any other way.
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DUE TO THE EXPLICIT CREDIBILITY AND LOGIC UNDERPINNING THE ABOVE ARGUMENT, THIS POST COULD CAUSE SEVERE INADEQUACY, HYSTERIA OR SYCOPHANCY IN THE READER...
THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA
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03-13-2008, 12:54 AM
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“…Rudd's apology acknowledged the pain inflicted on aboriginal people.”
The children were removed after suffering sexual abuse right away after birth, witness a young girl who was similarly removed from her parents care, after suffering gang rape from other aboriginal community members at seven years, was raped again by the same gang, after she was removed from responsible and safe white peoples care at ten years.
These are crimes committed by aboriginal people and sure as hell, an apology will not suffice…
Video: Black boy eighteen years or so hurrying thru evening shoppers clutching a pair of used sneakers, he had taken them from the body of a sleeping white man aged twenty one, he and his companion had attacked and killed, he was not charged his companion got two years, yeah his companion was black.
Race Not Color: … Black youth fourteen years or so going thru prone motionless man’s pockets under city lights, fifteen black teenage tribesmen and girls attacked and battered to death Hoera Te Kooti aged sixty one, he was on his way home from the pub, one charged no conviction. He was of the sea faring Moldi people of New Zealand.
Black boy calls and wants to go bushwalking with two white teenagers, he bludgeons both to death nor did he see the inside of a courtroom… bleeding hearts describing his prior schizophrenia as cause …he is said to be free, the crime was in 2002.
I want someone from Kevin Rudd’s office to explain why a history of schitzo should be cause for escaping murder charges, Christmas Day 2007, Western Australia …a group of five blacks attack and kill a white man playing sand lot cricket with his kids.
December, some twenty or so aboriginals are in the news whoopin' and hollerin as they attack a man who was walking up the street with his girlfriend.
1997, taxi rank in the Brisbane suburb of New Farm, a group of five young aboriginal people decide to jump ahead of me. I tell them do not go thinking they are going to jump the queue and the s--- hits the fan, one foul mouthed teenage girl gets in front another comes up on my right, another my rear and two a man and a woman cut me off from the left.
From the right, “…look at this c--- , thinks he's white,” I am in fact part aboriginal, Tasmanian on my father’s side, Mother’s father was a mainland aboriginal from South Australia.
The same vile woman screaming filth to my front, that’s the aboriginal tactic, she was to divert my attention while the others got bold enough to attack, there were only five most often it’s a lot more. My plan is to chop the one to the right, but grab the one behind me from over my head …the body language of the two at left indicates that they are just gonna watch, probably already going over in their minds that their legal team will mitigate them out of serious consequences after I am murdered, just then a police vehicle pulls up opposite they melt into the night.
Any bets that these were from the same gang that murdered Mr Te Kooti.
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03-13-2008, 01:11 PM
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Back to australian aborigionies (aborigonals? Anyway...) I'm not suprised that they don't integrate all that much. From 1963 to 1967, the australian government conducted atomic bomb tests on inhabited land, resulting in many deaths from radiation poisoning. That's almost a Spanish low. (In the americas, intentional gifts of small-pox infected blankets killed over 1.5 million native americans. The remainder were enslaved. This caused the collapse of 2 separate empires.)
P.S. The situation in australia, however, has improved greatly over the past 25 years. Still, don't expect them to forget.
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Actually it was the British Government not the Australian Government..The place was Maralinga in South Australia plus a few other areas between 1952 and 1963..
To make matters worse Britain "loaned" the USA Australian soil to test theirs..
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04-14-2008, 09:25 AM
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The invisible Aboriginal
In Cloncurry (QLD) a fella was bending my ear about "Abos"; how they were always drunk, wouldn't get a job, etc...
I pointed to a hospital worker nearby and said "Bill's (name changed to protect the guilty) not like that!"
"Oh, no" he said, "we don't call Bill an Abo!" So his good behaviour didn't count!
I understand the Irish faced a similar problem in the 19th Century; Patrick O'Brien has an amusing scene in "Fortune of War"
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05-08-2008, 12:49 PM
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I know little of the situation you are discussing in Australia, but am familiar with that of the people who originally inhabited what is now the USA.
Those who would choose to live as they once did simply can not do so, as their way of life was intertwined with the land -to which they no longer have access. Even if they had access to sufficient land, the influence of the society surrounding them -and those governing them -would not disappear. So, those who do not want to integrate can not be what they will to be, their children are born between worlds -attracted to what their parents reject -and even if they wanted to integrate, are not always accepted or given equal opportunities -regardless of laws -or respected as equals. This is a perfect recipe for everything that could possibly go wrong with an individual, family or people. When a people are to be conquered, they are often made to seem less than human in the minds of those who will do them harm -if they are viewed as worthy of respect, it makes the harm more difficult to carry out -these ideas do not die easily.
The following link is to two versions (there is some controversy as to the original words) of a speech given by a Chief called Seattle (as those who conquered his people could not pronounce his name).
Chief Seattle's Thoughts
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