Muslims out of Australia ! - Political Forum

Ygorl · #1 (**permalink**) 03-12-2007, 06:25 PM

This sounds similar to something playing out in another country doesn't it ? Different ISSUE, but an issue BOTH countries will need to deal with, with strength and resolution. Failure to do so WILL cost a high price.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

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Brother Oz · #2 (**permalink**) 03-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Who's the quote at the bottom from?
I agree with most of that... but not the bit about Christianity. Australia is not a Christian nation unfortunately, it, like most western nations, is rapidly becoming post-Christian...
but it's definately a secular state. If people are physically attacking Christianity, then they should leave, but not if they're just offended by it.

Ygorl · #3 (**permalink**) 03-12-2007, 07:06 PM

I think it was Prime Minister John Howard.

It says:

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.

Quote: "IMMIGRANTS........... on to the rest.

Isn't perfectly clear the way they constructed it though.

Brother Oz · #4 (**permalink**) 03-12-2007, 07:26 PM

No, I don't think he did say it, I think it's just the way the sentencing is put together...

FRYandBENDER · #5 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 09:18 AM

Man I would love to see what would happen to a politician that said something like that over here. I'm proud of Australia for keeping their traditions and values.

Brother Oz · #6 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 10:32 AM

And do you think it's good that Saudi Arabia keeps its traditions and values?

FRYandBENDER · #7 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 10:35 AM

They can do what ever the hell they want to do, as long as they don't bring that crap over here. Granted, that is a hell of a thing for an American to say, but I didn't sign anything taking us to war, and as a whole, I could really care less about the welfare of other countries, except for a few of coarse.

W.E.B. Du Bois · #8 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

I could really care less about the welfare of other countries, except for a few of coarse.

Basically, the white ones, right? I'm not mad at you or anything, but that is basically what you are saying, right?

W.E.B. Du Bois · #9 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 11:36 AM

@ Thane The phrasing of this thread is interesting. It doesn't say "Out Radical Muslims" or "Out Radical Islam", just "Out Muslims."

So, Thane, do you think we should just start throwing out all the Muslims from white countries?

FRYandBENDER · #10 (**permalink**) 03-13-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

Basically, the white ones, right? I'm not mad at you or anything, but that is basically what you are saying, right?

Dude? I don't even know how to repond to this. I'll try to think of something, but this is really way out of left field from the line of thinking I was taking. One of the countries that is on the top of my list that I would like to see do well is Japan. Hardly a white country. If they would allow it, and if it came to it, I would like to see America help, if need be, south american countries that the Amazon river runs through and have the rain forest in them. Particularily I would like for them to find a means of earning money without having to cut the rainforests for timber, or burn them for farm land. I think that if they were willing to let the US come in and help them find out what they can do to build a good economy while preserving their rainforests I would be all for it.

As far as Saudi Arabia and the middle east in general, I say that if they want to run their lives by the koran and kill eachother for another 1000 years, I say more power to them, lets not get involved, and only consort with countries who want to do well for themselves and help make the world a better place. If the people in those countries are purple, then more power to the purple people, may their money flow like grape juice in a day care.