Sorry I do not have the time to examine all of your claims right now but I will try later on. I just want to say that I agree with you on all the part with George W. Bush, except that this is not the only smart thing he said in seven years, let's be honest. Anyway I am glad you are kind of pulling for Bush, too, now.

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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.

I think everyone is going to be racist towards the unknown. The Chinese have very little contact with black people.

Westerners, on the other hand, are less racists towards blacks, because we've murdered over 10 million of them during the Transatlantic slave trade, and then kept them as slaves for another couple hundred years while raping their women, which is why almost all African Americans are part white today.

But yeah the Chinese are more racists towards blacks.

Instead of what you think why Chinese hate blacks, do you have any proof?

I have some proof that Asians are seen as negative.

Asian Americans seen negatively / Results of landmark survey called startling, disheartening

It's not true. The free media were not sympathetic towards the Tibetans rioters; they were trying to do their jobs! We all know this world is far from perfect.

To put your claims into perspective, I'm sure your linking of this offending add, can only be related to the "Observation On Chinese People's Attitude" thread.

I don't think "The whole western government* threatens to do anything, since it does not exist; otherwise I guess George W. Bush would have said he would boycott the Olympics, but you said yourself that he hasn't. Doesn't he look like a cowboy enough to be part of anything western? Some other heads of states have already talked, and some others are still talking; but I do agree with you on this: what Bush said was right!

I can understand them; I'd probably do the same. I told you, I don't think what Jack Cafferty said is important in regards to racism, especially if he was referring to the government. On the other hand, you're saying that when someone speaks on TV about governments, a remark offends Chinese people themselves then they become nationalists. Do you mean TV could be bad for Chinese? Idem; I can understand why some people in the US are *pressured* to avoid racist remarks towards African-Americans, especially by politicians.

I don't read French newspapers often enough to contradict your claim. I think they are basically low-quality, sorry. I can tell you that I have heard a lot on the web about the Jin Jing incident; and that I'm sorry again.

Ok, so that makes 5 events. Then, another reason, I guess, to become nationalists. Simple algebra! You already said it's all a western media stuff. Can you break on through and ask yourself why this couldn't be a PRC stuff?

Then if it's all about being France's honorary citizens, let me tell you that I personally think it's a lot of people, including Michael Jackson & Britney Spears, maybe... It shouldn't be any worry.

I have heard of that incident in Duke U; and it made me sad, too.

Never heard of it; but I'm no specialist, only read basic news.

I knew not it was censored; but it's no good news either.


EDITED: I've almost forgotten to tell you that I've liked your link to the FT: I've found the article's title interesting: "Olympics chief tells west not to hector China". Haha, if you want to know the name of my favorite hero, it's Paris!

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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.

I don't know what you have read, but here in the US. I'll just pull one of the stories of how they re-hashed this whole incident and you can see how sympathetic they are.

Tibetan Monk Protests Turn Deadly, Dalai Lama Calls For End To Violence In Capital As Fighting Erupts Over Chinese Rule - CBS News

Notice that they only got quotes from Free Radio Asia, Free Tibet Campagain. Frankly, this is what is called 'information domination,' that if they churn out BS so many times, it turns out to be the truth.



Actually GW Bush was the only person who said that he is going to go to the opening ceremonies. The presidential candidates, Clinton, Obama and McCain asked Bush not to go. The Leader of UK, France, Germany, Canada said that they are not going because of China's Human Rights record.

This is the quote that pissed off the Chinese: Well, I don't know if China is any different, but our relationship with China is certainly different. We're in hawk to the Chinese up to our eyeballs because of the war in Iraq, for one thing. They're holding hundreds of billions of dollars worth of our paper. We also are running hundred of billions of dollars worth of trade deficits with them, as we continue to import their junk with the lead paint on them and the poisoned pet food and export, you know, jobs to places where you can pay workers a dollar a month to turn out the stuff that we're buying from Wal-Mart. So I think our relationship with China has certainly changed. I think they're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years.

He later said reiterated that the quote above was aimed at the Chinese government and not the Chinese people. So according to him, who makes this 'junk' and get 'paid one dollar a month', Chinese people, and not the Chinese government. And it wasn't even a formal apology.

It is not your fault, no need to apologize.

Actually I don't read much of the PRC stuff because I lived here in the US for 25+ years. So most of the observances are based what I read from Western Media. Like what was mentioned in the cbs article above, I saw these protests from Lhasa, yet they are saying that China are the bad guys. The more I saw it, the more it remind me how the US were misled to fight in Iraq.

The Domination Effect

The PRC propaganda couldn't rally the Chinese nationals abroad. Much of protesters are Netroots and there were plenty of Chinese nationals and foreign expatriates looking at this kind of BS from this re-hashed Western Media as I did. Why wouldn't they protest?

My guess is that these Lhasa protestors wanted to be victimized in this situation (ie beat down or shot by the Chinese police.) It did not happen. Instead, the Tibetan protestors were the bad guys and this information domininance against China wasn't very effective.

The leader of the UK, Gordon Brown, has never said he is not going to the opening of the Olympics because of China's Human Rights record, though some people hoped this was the reason.

Instead he has said that he never was intending on going to the opening ceremony because he would need to attend the closing ceremony. Britain will be represented at the opening ceremony by our Olympics minister Tessa Jowell.

There is no question that a lot of people were hoping he would boycott the opening of the Olympics but he has not done it.

Regardless of what people read into this, if we were boycotting the opening of the Olympics we would not be sending anyone to the opening ceremony...and he certainly did not say he was 'not going because of China's Human Rights record.'

BBC NEWS | Politics | PM not attending Olympics opening

Thank you for your reply, and for the link to the article. I went trough it, and personally don't think it is that sympathetic towards Tibetans. It just states basic facts, without giving any opinion. It doesn't condone the violence, and doesn't condemn Beijing for this situation. It quotes a few people; it's just journalism.

I don't know about all of them (Anya provided us with a link in her/his post above mine ~ thanks); but I don't think the leader of France said he will not attend the Olympics. From what I've heard, he said he's still thinking about it. If you want to know, I wish he would join Bush and other leaders at the opening ceremony in Beijing, in August. We'll see; but it's not that important. Most important is that French Athletes win as much medals as they can.

That's definitely not what I've read about in your article. It neither says that Chinese are bad guys, nor that Tibetans are; it just states facts. I can see that you live in Brooklyn next to your avatar. I didn't know you've been a US resident for +25 years. That's a long time; you must be loving it!

They have absolutely every right to protest; that's not what I mean. I'm just saying that nationalistic feelings pinch on a particular string of the human soul, and that can bring about much discord to the entire world.

You may be right; but I really doubt Tibetans protesters were looking forward to being caught by the police, especially in PR China. My guess is they took the first opportunity to let the world hear their complaint.

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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.

My take on it is that for the person who don't know better, Chinese is causing all the mayhem. One sentence describes destruction in Lhasa, another sentence describes about certain misgivings to Tibetans. So some people who are oblivious concluded that Chinese are responsible for the riots.

This has worked before when many people concluded that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 a couple of years back.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bush rejects Saddam 9/11 link

If hear Bush and his cronies' speeches at the time, he keeps alternating subjects between Saddam's killer regime and the atrocities as a result of 9/11. It certainly has worked, because 70% of Americans believed that he was responsible for 9/11. Just an observation.

I don't think the problem is the leaders not attending, as those Leaders are probably not going the opening ceremony anyways. The problem is they mentioned that they told press that they are not going as a way to protest against China's human rights...

It is not just about the tibetans. It is how history books and the media treats China because they are a communist country. In the 1950-60's there was a witchhunt for communists in the US itself. Alot of Americans see things as black and white, good vs evil, us vs the terrorists. I think they see the 'Free Tibetans' as freedom fighters, and the Chinese as a communist regime.

And as for me why I like living in the US is because of economic and educational opportunties in the states compared to China. Alot of kids have to study hard otherwise they don't get into the good schools. The good jobs are very competitive in China as 1/3 of the college grads won't get a job. Alot of Westerners believe that Chinese leave their own country because of the 'oppressive' Chinese government, which is entirely false. In fact, there are good number of Chinese Nationals who went back to China because there are a lack of Managers who understand Chinese and Western Culture.

Kadfly: A few more pictures from Lhasa

Well, here's some pictures of the Lhasa incident that someone took. If you look at the pictures, the the Chinese Cops are just trying to protect themselves while these Tibetan protestors are trying to make this into a contact sport. So that's why I am surprised that the protestors are not beaten down or something.