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Old 04-29-2008, 08:50 PM
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I know you're just saying but again I'm sorry does it mean you have your own solution to capitalism?
No I don't. I'm nothing more than an average citizen. I'm not about to ask the U.S. to dump capitalism and adopt something else Although capitalism is great, it's not perfect, the part that's not perfect is what we should improve on. Don't ask me how....the collective mind might know, not me.
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I was not aware that it was no longer an insult, if this is true, I stand corrected. I still hold that China has a history of xenephobia though.
Xenophobia is all over the world, it's far from a Chinese invention and it's really not a thing that strikes me as major here in Guangdong or Honkers. You live in Japan. How is it there? I mean in the local society, not on the base. I've heard Japanese society is very racist towards non Japanese but again: I have no personal experience. Just as far as I know, Cantonese is a more rude language [dialect] than Mandarin. Like English spoken by rural citizens, south of the Dixie line is also more rude than English from New Haven's profs of Yale.
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I'm hearing one person say 'why don't these nationalists go back to China,' and 'I think Chinese people hate blacks' and terms of 'whiteghost,' 'blackghost', etc... are the type of statements of why I think some people here are ignorant and truly doesn't know much about the Chinese culture. Worse of all, one of the statments was made by a moderator. I'm sure if I started a thread about why black people are this or that, I'm sure that the thread will be closed.
Correct and that's why I [tried to] expose/d the hit-and-run statement of the initial poster.

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I think alot of people here are confused when they are talking about the Chinese government and the Chinese people. IE it is okay to say "China is one of the most polluted nations" but not okay to say, "The Chinese people likes to live in their own pollution." Another okay, "China has a human rights issue with its one child policy" but not okay, "Chinese people like to kill their own babies." Why do you think Chinese people are so pissed off at what Jack Cafferty said?

Even the title "Observation On People's Attitude" is talking about Chinese people and some people here are offended by it. I hope the moderator keeps this in mind.
This thread started as a very low general quality one, unfortunately it was supported by more important posters than I.
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Old 04-30-2008, 07:27 AM
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No I don't.
Good Lord you kind of scared me at once

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I'm nothing more than an average citizen. I'm not about to ask the U.S. to dump capitalism and adopt something else Although capitalism is great, it's not perfect, the part that's not perfect is what we should improve on. Don't ask me how....the collective mind might know, not me.
Well I had hopes you could have enlightened us with your alternatives to capitalism
By the way I'm an average citizen too and I'm all ears
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The reason for the Chinese become Nationalists is because of the Free Tibet movement threatens the soverignity of China and the Olympics, which the Chinese are looking foward to. Many Chinese and people who know China watch BBC, CNN, etc... watch the news and you hear words, China sucks because of its human rights record or they don't deserve the olympics, china likes to live in their own filth. It is not just an attack China as a nation, it is an attack on the identity of the Chinese people. Why shouldn't we be pissed? The worst thing is that this kind of China Bashing is accepted in Western Culture and none of you think it is offensive. It is really sad that most of you know China's culture is by watching Western Media.
Hell this is a Western conspiracy against Chinese, their right to be pissed-off and reason to become Nationalists
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Hell this is a Western conspiracy against Chinese, their right to be pissed-off and reason to become Nationalists
That's why you're a racist.
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That's why you're a racist.
Come on, please, how come you can say from my comments on this page that I am a racist? I am not sure but this one of yours quoted above sounds like it is against the forum rules. I will check. I had hopes you would have elaborated your answer. I must admit mine was a little short so I will try to do better here.

I want to point out to you that all comments and this thread so far, instead of being the result of a western conspiracy against Chinese, may as well be a reaction to Chinese nationalism which existence is not as recent as you are trying to claim here, but may be a long scheduled process which started long ago and enforcing.
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That's why you're a racist.
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Hell this is a Western conspiracy against Chinese
I thought this is a racist remark. That's why. Let's say If I make jokes out of the N word, I'm sure Africian Americans won't find it funny. I've said talking about China as a country and the Chinese government is fine, but making dumb jokes about the Chinese people might offend some Chinese people here. Why do you think the Chinese Government get a bunch of lawyers to sue Jack Cafferty over the outlandish remark against the Chinese people?

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Well, can you close this thread please, there are several people who made racist remarks here. Why even the title "Observation On Chinese People's attitude' sounds racist to me. Thanks.

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I thought this is a racist remark. That's why. Let's say If I make jokes out of the N word, I'm sure Africian Americans won't find it funny. I've said talking about China as a country and the Chinese government is fine, but making dumb jokes about the Chinese people might offend some Chinese people here. Why do you think the Chinese Government get a bunch of lawyers to sue Jack Cafferty over the outlandish remark against the Chinese people?
Gee you completely avoided the rest of my comment except the joke about a Western conspiracy about Chinese... Anyway I am sorry to hear you have been misguided... I made that comment because you first started to say that if Chinese become more nationalists today, it is because we *westerners are putting our eyes* on China... I personally do not care too much about what Jack Cafferty said nor about what other posters have said here so far on the so-called Chinese racism... Some stuff are interesting though... Spot on.

EDIT: Even better: I will just turn the part of my comment you completely avoided to quote in a question: Do not you think that all comments and this thread so far, instead of being the result of a western conspiracy against Chinese, may as well be a reaction to Chinese nationalism which existence is not as recent as you are trying to claim here, but may be a long scheduled process which started long ago and enforcing???
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Since you put it that way. I accept your apology, as sometimes people say things that offend other people but they don't know it. Most Chinese are 'nationalistic' about 5 things that I could think of

1) the Lhasa incident - There were images Tibetan Monks burning, looting, and killing Chinese people and business and the Western Media was sympathetic towards the Tibetans instead. In Addition, the Western nations complain to China about the 'human rights' thing when the Chinese know that they have been treating Tibetans better than 10-20 years ago. They know that it is far from perfect.

2) Dalai Lama's and his Tibetan followers and their quest to 'Free Tibet' because it affects china's Soverignity. To put it to perspective, I'm sure alot of Americans were offended by this Ad from Absolut about SouthWest America belonging to Mexico.

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3) The whole western government threaten to boycott the olympics. As most Chinese people that this boycott hurts themselves and not the Chinese government. Many people say that China shouldn't get the olympics, but FT.com - Olympics chief tells west not to hector China as China did open China, but not up to the standards that the West wanted...

4) The Jackassity remarks by Cafferty. Here in the US, whenever someone said someone offended Black people, there is heavy pressure for that guy to quit, especially by politicans. As for Cafferty, he just said he was referring about the Chinese government, but the whole remark offend Chinese people themselves. Worse of all, the politicans and CNN want to distance themselves out from this issue.

5) The Jin Jing incident in Paris. You have to be really low to attack someone in a wheelchair... From what I heard the French newspapers didn't really disclose this incident.

If only one of the events above happened, most Chinese probably wouldn't care, but these 5 events came around at the same time would anger alot of Chinese people, especially alot of expats living abroad reading this stuff. The Western Media doesn't seem to care what they say anyways. Why else would they protest, even holding the communist flag that they do not care about until recently.

I thought the response by these 'nationalists' was justified in some parts but not by others. Protesting about the Western Media, 'protecting the torch', CNN, 'free tibet,' Dalai Lama seems to be just. However, there are other things that is done by the China 'Nationalists' which is probably not just:

1) Carrefour - Me and alot of other people didn't think it was right because carrefour wasn't directly helping the Dalai Lama, as one of the shareholders are doing it. I think they are more angry about the French government naming the Dalai Lama and Hu Jia as honorary citizens and the Jin Jing incident... Despite the amount of people who showed up for the protests there were alot of people, including the media asked to quell down this revolt.

2) There was a Chinese student in Duke U, Grace Wang, who was pro-tibet and received death threats among other sad things. She may be brainwashed, but she doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.

3) There was also anonymous death threat to a Cornell U professor Kathryn March who was going to show a film Tibet not part of China.

4) Lastly, I thought the torch relay in South Korea got really ugly, which is probably why incident was censored in China.

Lastly I thought George W Bush's response to this whole crisis was the best response, as he plans to go to the opening ceremony despite critics from our government. He said, China's 'human rights' record should be talked before, during and after the olympics, and should not being used as a 'carrot on a stick' to make China comply. Thoughout the 7 years him as a president, this is the only smart thing he said.

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