What makes you believe that return to 19th century capitalism is impossible. It seems especially formerly or post communistic countries are endangered by exactly that. China for example officially still is a communist country, but from what I have heard so far, in reality its on the best way to become one of the most capitalistic societies in the world, with rights only on the paper, worker exploitation etc keeping the workers down while the enterpreneurs swim in money.

The Unemployment insurance is connected to strict rules, its by definition a short term means. If you are becoming a real long time unemployed you will loose it and depend on the last net of social security which for example in Germany means that you have to make your entire posessions you dont need for surviving to money and then get some payments that are too little to live and too much for dying.

You really think it would help if you would seal their failure once and for all if you make homeless out of them? That would cost the society more than if you keep that most basic social network (that exists to a certain extend even in the US if I do not err), and at least letting them in the game instead of sealing their fate. To bring a homeless back into the productive chain of society is worlds more difficult than doing so with a long term unemployed.

Apart from that, if you have 20% unemployement, than you have structural reasons for that. That means either you have a huge black economy or a large number of your citizens lives in absolute misery and is lost for your society for productive purposes. I guess its a combination of both. That structural unemployment won't be resolved by cosmetic acts like splitting real jobs into a few working poor ones, you have to do structural reforms to get rid of it no matter if you allow working poor or not.

No, you dont have to force them, you have to give them an incentive, a strong one. For giving someone that incentive, you need a salary that at least serves the most basic needs of a person. Otherway he will rather see stealing, begging or making this or that black economy job as sole possible way to go.

Laissez fair capitalism helps no one, except a few enterpreneurs. Its interesting to hear what you describe, because in Austria not a single party would dare to demand anything that would come near to laissez fair capitalism. Well, better to say, no party would want to see something like this. Social disparity of extreme dimensions is exactly that what ruins a country. Look at countries with very rich and very poor. Thats an explosive cocktail and ruins the quality of life for everyone.
I can not imagine if anyone could want to have that, even reasonable very rich people dont want to see that.

your argument runs into nothing. enemployment benefits are of temporary nature. It helps people to recover from sudden firing without loosing their social network and falling down the ladder with a hard and devastating landing. This is also harming the society on the large scale.
With unemployment benefits he has the chance to find a new job without having to sell his house, and without damage to the social network etc.

In case he is an lazy ass, he will loose the unemployment benefits and will fall down to an uncomfortable level of living quality anyway (but not as deep as to be not able to recover from it anymore)

I disagree, just look to countries where people have no protection. They do good work but live in poverty, while the company owners dont know where to spend all their money. There is more than one country where this is true. Capitalism does not produce poverty, capitalism alone however keeps people poor in order to exploit them.

First of all, the minimum wage is higher than the unemployment benefit if you are low qualified (and hence the most at risk of being unemployed). The second more important point is that you can't live on unemployment benefits for long, as it will decrease perhaps over the time and soon enough vanish completely, leaving you with a not overly comfortable social help that is little in comparision to the unemployment benefit.

Ever heard of the right of holiday? People normally have loads of unused holiday carrying around with them. Its nearly unimaginable that there is not a single day they can take off for a job interview. I dare to guess that this is not uncommon. Or how do you think are people able to swap jobs themselves without getting unemployed? (I hope that you dont think that unemployment should be obligatory for people who swap the job)

See. That means you can't be fired over night, and thats good.

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actually,the local government know many peope were fired.so labour department told people in media,if boss fired him without reason,he can have a complaint.or apply an arbitration in labour department.
but China is a big country,different local governments have different action when enforce the labour law.totally in developed cities,labour department done a good job.but in inland provices,the law is just a joke.for example,in Shan Xi province,most child did slave job in coal-mines,they work,but they didn't get only ￥1.i meant they work in such dangerous coal-mines more than 20 hours one day,the boss didn't give them money, but hired goon spy them and hurt them.when these kids were saved,they told media some one even died.
one slave kid was saved.he was hurted, dying.the boss and goon were arrested.finally,the boss is in prison now,the goon was shoot down


in Guang Dong province and Shang Hai,Jiang Su province,labour department inspect enterprises frequently.if employer do the same(treat workers badly or don't give workers money),he will be done.

CCP said China is a socialism country.LOL.
I heard a story in a Chinese forum.that guy lives in Holland.he said in Holland,some natives ask him is China a communism country?he answered: no,China is a socialism country.then the natives laughed: Holland is a socialism country,see.we have much Social Welfare.this is real socialism system.China is a communism country

A horrible story thank you that you shared it with us nonetheless.

Its good to see that at least if it comes up and gets media attention those criminals are taken to their responsability. But hopefully more exploitation cases will be handled by courts and the responsibles sentenced.

I really hope that one day all of China will fall under the rule of law.

@jaro
I think this is the real face of laissez faire capitalism. But without the consquence for the mine owner.

To be honest I dont think your system has much to do with socialism nor with communism
Its labelled here as communist country, by name only. Not that this is so bad, as your regime really tries to get important reforms done that will benefit many Chinese people.

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to be a constitutional society.China need more time.after 2017 Hong Kong have General election,I think Mainland China will start reform under people and media's pressure.there are many contradiction Chinese law sysytem.for example,in real constitutional society,judicial system is independent,but in China,judicial system is a part of CCP's rule,here it is: public security organs(police department) is under CCP's control,the same court and Procuratorial organs.so,usally government and official intervene the judicial process.the problem is: in Chinese system,the judge are civil clerk,as i know,they are CCP member too(if he is not CCP member,he has no qualification to be judge,the same happens in other communism government department),so for their political furture,judge usually do the wrong adjudication under official's pressure)
another question is: in China,court,public security organs and Procuratorial organs surpervise each other.here is a real special example,according to the "PRC judge law" ,everybody must stand up(it means repect the law),but the public prosecutor(come from Procuratorial organs) refuse stand up,the judge tell him that he must respect law,he answered: court and Procuratorial organs are equal,why should i stand up to show respect for you?
and it's diffciult to judge whether China is a communism country or socialism country

Its impossible in EU countries. People wouldn't allow it. In other countries where people don't have experience with it it could be reality like in China. Everybody except Chineese knows they have 19th century capitalism coupled with dictatorship.

It helps the country, but many individuals suffer heavily in it. China right now displays efficiency of this system, but it is so brutal, it is unacceptable in more developed society. It is a dream of every state and enterpreneur to build roads, factories, cities with virtually zero cost (human lives don't count in such a brutal system). Most developed countries got rich by using slave labour in a way. And I repeat again, that nobody in EU is longing for such a system.

Of course not, they are not suicidal. They would have the whole country upside down demonstrating. In a certain way, eastern europe is a laboratory for reform economists - where "tests" are carried out on the economy to find out how it will perform in comparison with old EU countries. If an idea turns out to work well, western europe can adopt it as well.

I'm not advocating such a system.

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