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Old 10-28-2007, 03:14 PM
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As for the nukes, Taiwan island only needs 4 H bombs to sink the island. You need a nuclear arsenal equivalent to that of USA and USSR to sink mainland China. China is much more capable of nuclear survival during a nuclear war with any country except USA and Russia, not to mention Taiwan.
China would not use nuclear weapons against Taiwan because they can clearly over power the island with conventional forces and it would make them look arrogant and irresponsible in the eyes of the international community.
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Old 10-28-2007, 05:11 PM
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China would not use nuclear weapons against Taiwan because they can clearly over power the island with conventional forces and it would make them look arrogant and irresponsible in the eyes of the international community.
As early as in Mao's era, China declared not to initially use nuclear weapons. Nuclear contamination in Taiwan also will influence Chinese Fujian Province, Okinawa and Philippine.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:30 AM
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In 1950s and 1960s, Taiwan was recognized as an independent country, that is "Republic of China", which covers all mainland China and Outer Mongolia with its capital in Nanjing. After 1970s, international community recognize "People's Republic of China" as the only legitimate government in China. Most countries consider Taiwan island as part of P.R. China, just like Hainan island. USA also consider Taiwan island as part of China, but is ambiguous on which China it is referring to.

As for "Taiwan" or "Republic of Taiwan", it has never been recognized as an independent country in modern era. Now, there are still 24 countries in the world who recongize "Republic of China" as the legitimate government in the whole China. Can you find these countries in the map?
Let us look at the "real" situation as opposed to the international policy situation. In a simple way a sovereign state can be defined as a nation that governs itself without outside control. Taiwan certainly meets this criteria and mainland China has no direct control over the political processes in Taiwan. Taiwan has its own government, its own military, and functions independently of mainland China and therefore it is a sovereign nation.

The sovereignty of Taiwan meets the criteria for government from an American perspective if you compare it to the ideals established in the US Declaration of Independence. It has a government that reflects the self-determination of the people. The US should recognized Taiwan as an independent nation based upon these facts alone.

Whether recognized or not Taiwan is an independent nation with its own government, laws, and military. These facts are undeniable.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:05 PM
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Let us look at the "real" situation as opposed to the international policy situation. In a simple way a sovereign state can be defined as a nation that governs itself without outside control. Taiwan certainly meets this criteria and mainland China has no direct control over the political processes in Taiwan. Taiwan has its own government, its own military, and functions independently of mainland China and therefore it is a sovereign nation.

The sovereignty of Taiwan meets the criteria for government from an American perspective if you compare it to the ideals established in the US Declaration of Independence. It has a government that reflects the self-determination of the people. The US should recognized Taiwan as an independent nation based upon these facts alone.

Whether recognized or not Taiwan is an independent nation with its own government, laws, and military. These facts are undeniable.

From the government perspective, to qualify as a national government, you must have the corresponding international status. Taipei government, as well as Palestine government, does not have the necessary international recongnition that is needed to be a national government. Taiwan and Palestine all have their freedom for their internal affairs, but lack the international political status. Thus, Taiwan, as well as Palestine, does not qualify as a nation.

From the sovereignty perspective, Taiwan island's sovereignty is in civil war. Japan colonized Taiwan from Chinese Qing Dynasty and Republic of China took it over in 1945. After the Nationalist Party lost the civil war, it shrinked to Taiwan. Sporadic civil wars continued until 1970s. Until now, Taiwan and mainland China are legally still in civil war status. If tomorrow Taipei or Beijing decides to fight, neither of the two sides needs to declare war. South and North Korea have a truce pact, but Beijing and Taipei have nothing and are still in civil war status.

American Constitution is pretty. American Constitution did not give America independence. America won the wars against their mother country Britain, and then got independence. Southern American states tried to get independent in American Civil War too, but failed. If Taiwan wants independence and end the civil war status with mainland China, Taiwan has to learn from American and win the wars against China.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:22 AM
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No one should be able to build nukes but us because we are the only responsible and competent people in the world. Everyone else would mess up. Anyone else engineering nukes should be nuked. That's just my humble opinion though, not trying to come on too strong.
Let me just say something about your post, we are so responsible that we dropped the only 2 bombs on another country. Were so responsible that we have used over 30,000 tons of Depleted Uranium in Iraq. Which is radio active. We are so responsible that we are the number one distributer of Arms to other countries. O wait where so responsisible because we fight a war almost every 10-30yrs. I completely agree with you.
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China would not use nuclear weapons against Taiwan because they can clearly over power the island with conventional forces and it would make them look arrogant and irresponsible in the eyes of the international community.
They could but, but remember this China has close to no Navy.
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They could but, but remember this China has close to no Navy.
Comparably, the strait between China and Taiwan is close to the same distance as the English Channel between Britain and France. With the water way being so narrow you don't need a standing navy to attack Taiwan. China's missile capability is advanced enough that it could effectively destroy Taiwan's defenses before a amphibious assault would be mounted.

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Why cant we all just get ALONG!!!!!!!!
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Why cant we all just get ALONG!!!!!!!!
Because that would make life boring....
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