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Old 12-05-2006, 02:20 AM
Luke Luke is offline
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security council P5.It was for nehru that china got in and we gave them the seat to go in.
Again, Taiwan is P5 during Nehru's time. Nehru has done nothing good for China. India has no major contribution to fighting with Germany and Japan. Why would India be allowed into P5?

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India faces threats from China/Pakistan and its 70% oil are from indian ocean
which is worlds one of most trade routes.
we will do anything to keep the flowline secured for all nations.
Wow, this is a big altruism.

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I've never heard this complain a single time from "a guy who knows millitary stuff", you can post it in aviation forum and see the replies yourself .

We maintain a steady foreign policy which is indepent of any others, as someone said in next 20-30 years we are going to be the France of Asia.

Ofcourse we have the right because we are threatened by china who has right to have nuke as she is in P5, also me and our govt is for global disarmanent, with china keeping nukes india not is not fair game you know?

Atleast we dont go to northkorea for technology, we have enough enough talent to challenge anything provided there is money.
economy is the key for India.

and completely agreed on the fact no other countries should be allowed to have nukes, because they have it on religious grounds "most of them" which is fanaticism.
Even as a Chinese, I agree that it is reasonable for India to have nukes to balance China if they see China as a threat. China developed nukes in 1960s because America threated to nuke China during the Korean War. In the same way, Pakistan should also have nukes to balance India since they see India as a threat.

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LOL most guys here have no idea how real world works.
Till date we dont have a single lockheeed Martin jets.

We are not a US puppet ya know, we never was? We are not counterbalancing China for US needs but doing sollely for a counterbalance in Asia without which the power will shift inrealistically to a communist regime side which isnt good.
Wow, we all know that Japan is counterbalancing China. It is really hard to notice that India is also doing the job.

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Its US who are interested in good relations with us and we are obviously ofcourse interested in making good friends all over [that is why we dont have enemies beyond neighbours], I can give you a million examples when previously we were denied technology etc etc from US and we developed the same within some years...........

there is hell and heaven diff between communism and democracy.
Men, if I were an Indian, I would want India to fully cooperate with Americans. India can be a second Japan, or a second Taiwan or a second South Korea by doing so. Your GDP per capita can reach $20,000 by fully cooperating with Americans. At that time, you can do your "Counterbalancing Communist China" job much more effectively.

By the way, you guys used to be British colony. It should be mentally easy for you to accept Americans.
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:40 AM
Joey Joey is offline
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Again, Taiwan is P5 during Nehru's time. Nehru has done nothing good for China. India has no major contribution to fighting with Germany and Japan. Why would India be allowed into P5?
Fighting with germany and japan agreed. but that doesnt definies P5.
someone please tell about british indian army, armies fighting in belgium etc etc.
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Wow, this is a big altruism.
Its not, as a democracy we are entitled to do it, and even USN admits IN will play a big role there so i dont think any navy is above USN right now so whats your moot point?

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Even as a Chinese, I agree that it is reasonable for India to have nukes to balance China if they see China as a threat. China developed nukes in 1960s because America threated to nuke China during the Korean War. In the same way, Pakistan should also have nukes to balance India since they see India as a threat.
We dont see China as a threat attacking us we see chinese govt's policy of supporting some activities across the border irritating.
Most of indian people have good views of chinese but same doesnt go for their govt.
I know a lot chinese gals/guys here settled for business etc etc.
We never had any cultural problems either.
If you think we did you must forgot huent sang era and gautama buddha anyone?

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Men, if I were an Indian, I would want India to fully cooperate with Americans. India can be a second Japan, or a second Taiwan or a second South Korea by doing so. Your GDP per capita can reach $20,000 by fully cooperating with Americans. At that time, you can do your "Counterbalancing Communist China" job much more effectively.
Coperate in what way? ofcourse WE COOPERATE on international norms.
that shouldnt mean we should sell out our foreign policy or shall we?
GDP per capita reaching tht wont be tuff bridging the gap between poor and rich would be, religion plays a important role here.

Do you really think after being shown middile finger for more than 5 tims though by last we did it ourselve we will sell out foreign policy to any country? unlikely IMO we will be neutral as usual.

first we need to get rid of madrasaas and put 300 million muslims to go to school.
then we need to put 2 million RSS guys in a island.
i'm being sarcastic , these are the kind of problems we face yet a stable democracy.

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By the way, you guys used to be British colony. It should be mentally easy for you to accept Americans.
ahh man theres nothing mentality , u didnt even udnerstood indian mentality then.
we have no problems accepting anyone and how does acceptance comes in this context?accept in what sense? i dont quite get you.
We always do cooperate with americans on neutral basis.
as i told you france of asia.

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Old 12-05-2006, 08:58 PM
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Fighting with germany and japan agreed. but that doesnt definies P5.
someone please tell about british indian army, armies fighting in belgium etc etc.
British Indian Army is still British Army. Where is India's contribution in fighting Germany and Japan?

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Its not, as a democracy we are entitled to do it, and even USN admits IN will play a big role there so i dont think any navy is above USN right now so whats your moot point?
My point is that India is as altruistic as America in maintaining global order. America is enjoying democratizing Iraq. India should also do something alike.

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We dont see China as a threat attacking us we see chinese govt's policy of supporting some activities across the border irritating.
Most of indian people have good views of chinese but same doesnt go for their govt.
I know a lot chinese gals/guys here settled for business etc etc.
We never had any cultural problems either.
If you think we did you must forgot huent sang era and gautama buddha anyone?
Most Chinese blame China-India border conflicts on Imperial Britain. No Chinese governments have ever recognized that McMohan Line. The sixth Dalai Lama was born in Dawang, so Dawang is clearly a part of Tibet, and Indian government has admitted Tibet as part of China. If India returns Dawang to China, then China will recognize other parts controlled by India.

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Do you really think after being shown middile finger for more than 5 tims though by last we did it ourselve we will sell out foreign policy to any country? unlikely IMO we will be neutral as usual.
America showed Middle Finger to India?? I have never heard about that. I thought America and India are very close friends. Isn't American government the friend of any democratic government??
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Old 12-08-2006, 08:52 AM
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British Indian Army is still British Army. Where is India's contribution in fighting Germany and Japan?
I suggest you read up more, indian army and british indian army two types were there, they fought together.
in Belgium they have memorials etc etc

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Most Chinese blame China-India border conflicts on Imperial Britain. No Chinese governments have ever recognized that McMohan Line. The sixth Dalai Lama was born in Dawang, so Dawang is clearly a part of Tibet, and Indian government has admitted Tibet as part of China. If India returns Dawang to China, then China will recognize other parts controlled by India.
You mean Arunachal Pradesh's Dawang? then definitely not.

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America showed Middle Finger to India?? I have never heard about that. I thought America and India are very close friends. Isn't American government the friend of any democratic government??
lol during cold war era,
1971 they send USS Snterprise in bay of bengal to show support Pakistan.
Didnt dared to attack as Soviet Nuclear Subs was called in to chase the battle group.

After cold war They denied us access to supoercomputer, we build one.

denied us access to cryogenic tech and told russia not to give us as it can be used as ICBM, we developed one.

Boeing was working with HAL for LCA's partial FBW using the software called "Vista".
after 1998 sanctions came in they took away all work and software then we had to "Restart" LCA project from square zero.
one guy developed the whole set of FBW and aerodynamic control software to manipulate FBW, then designning started.
also it became a quadruplex FBW system.

surprisingly more than 6 countries now wants to buy that software.

sanctioned ISRO, now they say our IRS is unparallal as it offers Real Stereo Images compared to Pseudo Stereo.. and things like that.

havent you heard of the sanctions after 1998 nuke blasts?
hardly created problem though.
independent foreign policy helps.

now a days they have realized its better to make friends, we are but on independent foreign policy.
not to mention we are overtlky cautious when buying anything american weapons etc etc ...u kno hehe strings attached which we hate.

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Old 12-10-2006, 09:49 PM
Luke Luke is offline
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I suggest you read up more, indian army and british indian army two types were there, they fought together.
in Belgium they have memorials etc etc
Still, that is comparatively small.

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You mean Arunachal Pradesh's Dawang? then definitely not.
The sixth Dalai Lama was born in Dawang, which clearly states that Dawang is part of Tibet, and your government stated Tibet is part of China. What reasons do you have except for blindly saying no?


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lol during cold war era,
1971 they send USS Snterprise in bay of bengal to show support Pakistan.
Didnt dared to attack as Soviet Nuclear Subs was called in to chase the battle group.

After cold war They denied us access to supoercomputer, we build one.

denied us access to cryogenic tech and told russia not to give us as it can be used as ICBM, we developed one.

Boeing was working with HAL for LCA's partial FBW using the software called "Vista".
after 1998 sanctions came in they took away all work and software then we had to "Restart" LCA project from square zero.
one guy developed the whole set of FBW and aerodynamic control software to manipulate FBW, then designning started.
also it became a quadruplex FBW system.

surprisingly more than 6 countries now wants to buy that software.

sanctioned ISRO, now they say our IRS is unparallal as it offers Real Stereo Images compared to Pseudo Stereo.. and things like that.

havent you heard of the sanctions after 1998 nuke blasts?
hardly created problem though.
independent foreign policy helps.

now a days they have realized its better to make friends, we are but on independent foreign policy.
not to mention we are overtlky cautious when buying anything american weapons etc etc ...u kno hehe strings attached which we hate.
During cold war, everybody knows that India sided with Soviet Union, so you cannot blame America on that.

The sanctions after 1998 and some technical issues are actually trivial. American sanctions on China are much more severe.
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Old 12-11-2006, 10:53 AM
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I think Pakistan people can't fall asleep now.
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