morgasm

if america went to war with china theyd fucking own, since when do china have sphisticated millaty technology , america has massive missle defence, and a massive stockpile of worildwide missiles and bases around the world+ lots of milliaty support from western countries, the sheer sizze of the cinese army has no advantage unless they can get across the pond and i doubt that, america would easily take out china soldiers are becoming useless china simply lacks the sophisticated technology that america owns.

perdidochas

I think as long as the President at the time stands firm about Taiwan, Taiwan is in no danger. It's waffling about it that could cost Taiwan. If China realizes that the U.S. is 100% behind Taiwan in the case of invasion, then they won't risk their economy to take Taiwan. The problem is if some President is not 100% behind Taiwan, and China thinks that we won't do anything about it.

#1 is the more likely story. How would this cripple China's exporting?

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john6489

The loan money to US is a war also, in which China will fail, may be next year. China's high inflation rate on essentials over last few months is eaten the paper value of this loan and China's foreign revenue.

If the hardware war happen today, and US with enough will for this war, US will destory CCP China for sure.
I think US has learn from Vienam and Korea war, the army is doing great job in this two gulf war, especially Iraqi war.
But if the war happen after 10 year, 15 year, it is hard to tell whom will win.

When talking about war with China,US will not fight with a nation, but just a few dictatorship group.

Our Chinese will not fight and die for CCP 's China, most of us just indifference with what they are saying on media, some of us hate them and just want to kill them all, this China which will fight with US is not the China of ordinery Chinese.
If they can pay enough money, the can buy soliders, and those whom died in war for them during last 90 year's CCP war history has given a good example for the new generation Chinese youth.

Without Pressfreedom, freedom of mind, and political freedom, the China is not an united country.

American is great, even many left wing american opposite Iraqi war,and anti-terrorism war ,but still you have many youth are willing and volunteerly fight all over the world.

This will not happen in CHINA today, our Chinese government have no any moral and justice ground to support a war with US today.

Read about Chinese history, they always educate ,or pig farming our Chinese saying that US and westen anti-chinese force will try to occupy and slaverey China.

How to win the war, or avoid the war with China, that is an much more important issue for both Chinese and American, then predict the result of war.


I think the WAR WORLD III is already started after 911.
It just taken an new war models,with information levl war playing an more and more important role.

Luke

#1 is hardly likely if Taiwan declares independence first. If CCP backs off, it is suicide for the whole party. CCP needs the support of Communist Fundamentalists and Nationalist Right Wing in China. For the nationalists, Taiwan is their core interest. With supports from these two groups, Pro-West Liberals have no threat to CCP at all.

The quality of Chinese weapons is already in the same level as those American weapons in Taiwan. Also, China has always relied on quantity in its past wars with America and Soviet Union. America itself has much better weapons, but it is hard to say what would happen near Chinese coasts. American military can definitely totally defeat Chinese military in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but not necessarily near Chinese coasts. Also, it depends on how much sacrifice American middle class are willing to do for Taiwan. But this war, if happens, will no doubt benefit Russia the most.

Aum

There are many things to consider due to a conflic of this scale. First of all it's a war nobody wants nor can afford, that one single argument will probebly save us from ever having to experiance this event.

Well, I don't really know how to respond to such an opinion but if you deny every know fact there is this could actually make sense.
The US army is by all means doing a very bad job down in Iraq. The "war" is a disaster from every point of view. The only thing US leadership learn from previous wars are to restrain media inspection and produce a more sophisticated and complex media propaganda machine. For sake of argument I'll quote todays newspapper:
SvD 090107. Writen and sign by Airborne Division 82nd; Corporal Buddhika Jayamaha, sergeant Wesley D. Smith, sergeant Jeremy Roebuck, sergeant Omar Mora, sergeant Edward Sandmeer, sergeant Yance T. Gray and sergeant Jeremy A. Murphy.

The US dosen't have a compulsory military service, americans don't volunteer for serving the army. Is just a job for (mainly) low educated people who are being deceived in to believe that they are sacrificeing their lives for some greater cause. Yet their nothing but numbers on a piece papper to the men and women in charge.

One most never underestimate the awsume productivity of chinas industry, some might say that china relys to much upon their force of quantity. Nevertheless, it's an enorums force. China is able to produce any given numbre of arms at any time.

Do not doubt in the moral of the Chinese. Even though China is no where close to a democracy, lacking the most simple human rights, they wouldn't bend over. Certainly not against a nation such as the US. And in war democracy dosen't necessarily have to be an advantage.

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iTaliAN_ICe

I don't think America will go to war with the PRC, but if such a war occurred, it would be hard to say who the victor would be.

Keep in mind that the PLA consists of ~2,255,000 active troops and ~800,000 reserve troops, putting their total numbers over 3.25 million. In comparison, our own military has around 1,426,000 active troops and 858,000 reserve troops, making a total of about 2,284,000. Also, if the war became serious (which it undoubtedly would), there would probably be a draft in both countries. The PRC has over 1.3 billion people, compared to our 300 million. They would probably be able to draft many more additional soldiers than us. If we assume that neither country has any allies in this war, the PRC has a huge advantage when it comes to numbers.

Also, our economy relies heavily on the PRC's cheap, crappy imports. If we were to become hostile with them, our economy would most likely suffer a significant blow.

As to how advanced each of our militaries are, I'd say it's foolish to suggest that China doesn't have "sophisticated military technology". I'd say they're right up there with us for the most part. I even read they're developing their own anti-personnel and anti-satellite laser weapons systems.

This war would be a toughie...

Roundeye

I don't believe a war with the PRC will occur any time soon, it's in neither countries interest to do so.

But what if?

The advantage the US has over the PRC is superior technology. However, the US relies too heavily in some cases upon it's advanced weaponry. As stated above, the PRC has developed an ASAT (Anti-Satellite weapon), which would be devestating to the US given our reliance on satellites (communication, GPS, reconnaissance, etc).

Chinese Anti-Satellite Capabilities

The PRC is still a few generations behind the US militarily in every regard. For instance, the PRC still uses loud diesel powered subs, while the US has very quiet nuclear subs that can stay submerged for longer periods of time. The PRC's newly developed F-10, while a vast improvement over the MIGs, still doesn't compare to US air force fighters, such as the F-22. PRC missile systems are inaccurate and don't have the range the US missile systems do. Plain and simple, the PRC just isn't ready for a conflict with the US. I'm not saying it wouldn't be ugly if there was a war between the two nations, but the US would win...if you want to call it that, in the end.

Within maybe 30 years the PRC could catch up to the US, given it's booming economy and hard pressed research in developing more sophisticated weapons. But the most probable cause for war with China would be an invasion of Taiwan. Most of the younger generation, ie. the future leaders of the PRC, really don't care about Taiwan. So by the time the PRC catches up with US technology, the Taiwan issue may be long resolved.

And if you agree with the the theory of mutual assured destruction, the chances of a <nuclear> war with the PRC in our lifetime if ever is very unlikely.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

The US could easily defeat the Chinese armies on any battlefield. However, there is no way the US could ever occupy China. Any war between the US and China would probably involve the elimination of the Chinese navy and air force, and then after that there would be more or less of a stalemate.

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iTaliAN_ICe

That may be. IMO, it would probably be one of the toughest wars in our nation's history, and our losses would probably be significant.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary

Naw. You see China's air force and navy are extremely obsolescent. Most of those units are 50's era technology. We're talking 1991 Gulf War casualties.

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