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Old 11-07-2007, 10:51 AM
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What a cunning comment!

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China unite S.Korea to against Japan?I think is impossible!Chinese and S.Korean dislike each other.in most Chinese eyes,S.Korea is another Japan,it's a threat to China.I don't know what's Chinese in S.Korea eyes,but i can tell you S.Korean don't like China,everybody knows this.
Don't forget another country,N.Korea.think N.Korea's role in Eastern Asia.
For the problem of Japanise military"The comfort women",
what is so cunning comments like above that!
Arn't you think so that is very far of the subject and you do escape like as that from the point of appolosizing in politic of Japon. And why do that?
She(not only hers/ more than 200.000 women died cruel) was never having any appolosiz from Japan by rejections of most claimes till now, and its were said denying with the lies as habits, a like sickness chronic.
What's meaning that it wants make them to quarrel beween China & S. Korea with that problem or you want that?
That is your comment for crimes of war by military Japon?
Is it officiel or the opinion private of yours?
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:01 PM
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Japan will apologize when everyone who could have been involved and their children are dead.

Face is very important.

The issue is Japan has apologized to both China and S.Korea over and over again for the last 30 years but it was never in a way that was "acceptable".

It either was considered incensed or did not come from the Royal Family, etc.

I would say that Japan did some nasty things during the war, but at the same time there is documented evidence that many Koreans women did volunteer to be "comfort women", some were forced into it by Korean or Chinese pimps, some were forced by the Japanese military it is quite complex.

As far as the "war crimes" no one argues that Japan killed innocent people in Nanjing or Shanghai...in every war innocent people get killed.

We firebombed Dresden and drop nukes on nonmilitary targets for God's sake. We dropped nukes on the centers of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, which are not in any way military targets or even major areas of production. We did it to make a point.

Japanese level Nanjing to make a point. They were trying to make the Chinese surrender by intimidating the Guo Ming Dong (KMT). The issue is not "if" but how many. The Japanese figure is obviously too low and the Chinese figure is too high.

Also you have to remember that this issue is political. It is not about "justice" in and of itself. China has a lot of domestic issues from income inequality, Taiwan, and corruption. China needs a nationalist rallying point to help stabilize things. Japan is that punching bag. If you ever watch any protest in China, the one's allowed in the major cities are all scripted by the party and allowed to go so far. Those that are not scripted never make it to the press (there are thousands of protest and even riots yearly in Japan in rural areas you rarely ever hear about). China is using this situation. Way back when China made normal relations with Japan they made a deal with Japan to "let the past go" in return for FDI, low interest loans, etc. Japan agreed, however China won't let the issue down because they realize they can use it to get more and more concessions. This pisses Japanese people off.

Korea is more complicated. There are pro-Japanese and anti-Japanese factions in Japan before Japan annexed Korea. There were Koreans begging Japan to invade and modernize it, anyone aware of Korean history at the time knows, this and most Koreans will admit it. In fact one of the greatest leaders of Korea, Park, who really did the most to modernize Korea spoke fluent Japanese, often read Japanese books and watched Japanese movies, was educated in Tokyo in the military academy and many people after S.Korean independence were similar to him. The Korean elite were Japanized. Remember Korea was part of Japan for 50 years, and so was Taiwan (same there, but the Taiwanese, on average, do not hate the Japanese because they were not brutalized. Why? Because they gave up and submitted. So they got a lot of "goodies" and not a lot of hate, Koreans never stopped fighting against Japanese rule so the Japanese treated them quite harshly. This is classic Confucianism, you have to bow to your nation and your ruler. If you don't submit you are "the nail that has not been hammered down or the blade of grass that has not been cut". In any case the Korean elite realized that power of nationalism (part of that was hating Japan and blaming them for every single thing wrong in Korea) to help keep S.Korea together and focused on the goal of "Korean development and nationalism" part of which was to become "better than" Japan.

You also have to remember that for most of its history, Korea and China were superior to Japan in every metric and considered the Japanese barbarians. Japan industrialized first and became the dominant Asian power in a 50 years period. They became so far they did what no other Asians did, ran the white people out of Asia. This in and of itself brought resentment from Koreans and Chinese that these “former barbaric Japanese” were lording over them, who were culturally superior.

All these things are at play.

What I believe is Japan will apologize (for what they did and for what they didn’t do) when they have to. Right now they don’t have to. They are still the strongest nation in Asia by far, but as China becomes more and more powerful, in the next 50 years due to geo-politics they will because the Chinese will have enough leverage to force their hand, but by that time everyone involved will in WWII and their kids will be dead.
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Old 11-08-2007, 09:08 PM
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What's wrong with "comfort women" for soldiers in war time? If the men are asked, no forced to fight, kill, and give their lives in combat, I don't see why its such a big deal to ask women to provide sexual services for the glory of the country. Its better than forcing someone to be in combat in my opinion. In wartime, sacrifices need to be made. Time to give this issue a rest and move on.
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Old 11-08-2007, 09:15 PM
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Tom Lantos, chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Foreign Affairs, described attempts to deny the use of sex slaves as "nauseating". "There can be no denying the Japanese imperial military coerced thousands upon thousands of Asian women," Mr Lantos said. "Those who posit that all of the comfort women were happily complicit and acting of their own accord simply do not understand the meaning of the word rape."
Is it not also then "rape" to force teenage boys and young men to fight and die in combat? In wartime sacrifices need to be made that don't need to be made in normal times. I don't see why having sex is so horrible, even for women with men they don't want to be with. Yes, its not a pleasant thing if they don't want to do it, but is it really that awful. Lets get some perspective here. Compared to the horrors of war, I don't think it ranks.

Secondly, its anyone going to ask why the US Congress is spending its time debating resolutions about history (and not even US history at that). Isn't history an academic subject for professors and teachers to debate. Don't these clowns have serious issues to discuss rather than talking about genocide in Armenia or some prostitutes in Japanese occupied lands in WWII. Did we elect amateur historians or politicians to solve real problems? They wonder why their approval rating is in the teens? It doesn't surprise me. What a bunch of total clowns.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:24 PM
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For Rob anderson does'nt care "comfort women", is he correct?

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What's wrong with "comfort women" for soldiers in war time? If the men are asked, no forced to fight, kill, and give their lives in combat, I don't see why its such a big deal to ask women to provide sexual services for the glory of the country. Its better than forcing someone to be in combat in my opinion. In wartime, sacrifices need to be made. Time to give this issue a rest and move on.
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Thank you to give me the motivations to saying about that subject!
I recommand that if it is good, why don't ask to service to your girl or family to provide sexual men to help you. Please do that for them and you need it obcause. That will be also for your glory of your country! Oh! Big job, why not. (but those women of Korea were not possible cause too moral, you see the problem & the distance with you?)
Also, during the War II, there are many the other nations wemen did service by forthly for military Japon like Neerland girl kidnaped in 13 years olds-16years.
And the 6th november on 2007, in paliament Europ of Belgium they had the speach of some women temoins of it.
Lady Elenpanter Floeg was kidnaped by military Japon in 14 years old, now she is 84 years sayng to crying, how she had acks all her lifes in Indonesia(Neerland).
Lady Menen Kastiyo of Philipine was kidnaped on 13 years old like in same ages korean Guil, Wunok on 13 years old(now 79years old).
And are you sure that Japon did appolozige to them?
I never heard that, cause they said in the conferance still now nobody of them had the apolozige or paid the sommes or money for that.
And they did worked all the night and all the daytime between 20-40-50 persons? They said that didn't want to live,but stay to live for temoin.
Is this animal orwhat? I can not imagin this extremly beast things that could not find in our history of human.
And they are not content cause people never bother to say about that shame things. But now they started say of that to show of the real face of its.

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Old 11-09-2007, 09:37 PM
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A shame discussion!

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. I don't see why having sex is so horrible, even for women with men they don't want to be with. Yes, its not a pleasant thing if they don't want to do it, but is it really that awful. Lets get some perspective here. Compared to the horrors of war, I don't think it ranks
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Realy, realy I am shame to say with you!
And I don't know how can make you be normal not person mad.
They didn't wanted cause 1) kidnaped by forth, 2) serviced without moneys as like total slave or animals. 3) worked too long time during all the night and day time till died. Are you OK? 4) If you have to sex 40/50times a day without repose with forth, don't you feel anything cause you can love sex? Also, they were only children 13/16 years old and normal youth never imagin such terreble things.
That was not at all sexes like your imagin. You change too much! Hahaha!

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Secondly, its anyone going to ask why the US Congress is spending its time debating resolutions about history (and not even US history at that).
Because they do deny too much, change and modified all the histories of Japan without any consciences. The true things, that is very important for world as like history of Jews.(more than Jews only because too much hiden of its)

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some prostitutes in Japanese occupied lands in WWII. It doesn't surprise me. What a bunch of total clowns.
Who is the clown without you here?
Don't say to dare them like prostitutes.
It's rather to you be sweetable that word, never never to them.
They are very honorable persons cause gave us the real truth existing hardly escaped of responsabity of such criminal. All the poor women died sauf only a few like them without meet their family till last moments.
They had lived by sacrifices sickness all life, all the women of world.
I am sure you are not American, you just espion of Japan.
Don't bother Americans like that cunning tricks, you misunderstand that your dirty volonty was hiden by your politic nonsences.
So, you imagine that we will believe your lying as Amercan bad like you.
Sorry, but don't mention it.
Your peoples did use & abuse too long time in history, one knows all the styles of your bad plans & tricks.
It's why the world should to know which real face it has.
Very dirty and crasy, cruel, hypocrate, small caracter, very jealious, never generous, like only sword, have no moral like your thoughts,...
That is nick name of it. If don't like to listen, it need try to change your aptitude at first.

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