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10-28-2006, 09:02 AM
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some Taiwanese protest the US representative
In Taipei, people gathered to protest against the government's plan to buy millions of dollars worth of high-tech US weapons.
they bring some bananas to the AIT,the organizer said: we want to sell bananas,we don't want to buy weapons(There is a poor market for these bananas in Taiwan these days).
yesterday,the resident representative of US in Taiwan said Taiwan Government should make decision that to buy the US High-tech weapons or not before autumn..
the PFP Chairman Danny Song(宋楚瑜) said: the US government maybe had better let that guy back to the US.American has no right to ask Taiwanese should through some bills.
the independent legislator Li Ao(李敖) said: Taiwanese should kick
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10-28-2006, 02:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
This has been something that has been repeated a million times. The US asks Taiwan to buy some US weapons (which could very well be necessary to Taiwan's defense), Chen-Shui Bian's Party tries to convince the legistlature that Taiwan needs those weapons, the Pan-Blue balks at the high prices of those weapons, the weapons are not bought.
This has been going on for more than two years, I believe. It probably will not change. Does the Pan-Blue control the legislative Yuan?
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Why does America charge so high for those weapons?? Taiwan serves as the watchdog for America against China, and is a very useful card for America. Don't be too greedy.
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10-29-2006, 06:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
This has been something that has been repeated a million times. The US asks Taiwan to buy some US weapons (which could very well be necessary to Taiwan's defense), Chen-Shui Bian's Party tries to convince the legistlature that Taiwan needs those weapons, the Pan-Blue balks at the high prices of those weapons, the weapons are not bought.
This has been going on for more than two years, I believe. It probably will not change. Does the Pan-Blue control the legislative Yuan?
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yes,Pan-Blue(KMT,PFP,unification parties,most of the supporters of the two parties' are Provincial,they support unify China) control the legislative Yuan.this plan need NT$600 billion ,but KMT just allow spend NT$60 billion...
the Pan-Green seems unlucky this year.because Chen Shuibian's scandle and the South Taiwanese attack the Anti-Chen people in violence way make more people don't believe DPP anymore.
as North Taiwanese said: Chen Shuibian and DPP just good at election,but they are not a good team,Chen's government is not a good government,they have no ability to rule Taiwan,they have no ability to make Taiwanese being rich.they good for nothing.
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10-29-2006, 07:01 AM
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actually,include the 30% DPP supporters,18% are loyal Chen Shuibian's supporters.whatever Chen Shuibian doing,whatever mistake Chen Shuibian make,they don't care.the 18% South Taiwanese are loyal Taiwan indenpendent movement supporters too.most of them are live in countryside,are poor.they are not educated well.they believe anything what DPP and Chen saying.DPP and Chen said the Anti-Chen people were sent by CCP,they believe,so they attack the Anti-Chen people in Tai Nan(台南),Gao Xiong(高雄),shouted toward the Anti-Chen people: China pigs out Taiwan,China Dogs out Taiwan.throw stone,bottle to them,smash the car...all this are living in the TV News.these Green Taiwanese's violence behavior make Provincial Taiwan hate them very much,make more adiaphorous Taiwanese dislike DPP.
they are busy running Mayor of Taipei,Gao Xiong election these days.too pity,the Blue side have three candidates in Taipei. this is big problem,DPP maybe win the election as in early 1990s Chen Shuibian won election
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10-29-2006, 07:12 AM
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A Taiwan Provincial Girl's Chen Wanrong's article,you can read it in "Phoenix weekly"(凤凰周刊) too.(I think this magazine isn't publish in the US)
写给父亲:一个台湾女生的大陆求学感受
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10-29-2006, 07:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
This has been something that has been repeated a million times. The US asks Taiwan to buy some US weapons (which could very well be necessary to Taiwan's defense), Chen-Shui Bian's Party tries to convince the legistlature that Taiwan needs those weapons, the Pan-Blue balks at the high prices of those weapons, the weapons are not bought.
This has been going on for more than two years, I believe. It probably will not change. Does the Pan-Blue control the legislative Yuan?
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yes,Pan-Blue(KMT,PFP,unification parties,most of the supporters of the two parties' are Provincial,they support unify China) control the legislative Yuan.this plan need NT$600 billion ,but KMT just allow spend NT$60 billion...
the Pan-Green seems unlucky this year.because Chen Shuibian's scandle and the South Taiwanese attack the Anti-Chen people in violence way make more people don't believe DPP anymore.
as North Taiwanese said: Chen Shuibian and DPP just good at election,but they are not a good team,Chen's government is not a good government,they have no ability to rule Taiwan,they have no ability to make Taiwanese being rich.they good for nothing.
last Year,DPP official ask the South Taiwanese(farmer) plant much banana tree.the farmers did it.today,There is a poor market for these bananas in Taiwan.DPP has no good policy to settle this problem,the DPP's method is : eat banana ,save Taiwan吃香蕉,救台湾
 ,i believe they can't eat enough banana to save farmers,if the DPP officials eat banana everyday, one month later,I pretty sure they will vomiting while they watching banana .it's clear,eat banana can't settle the problem

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10-29-2006, 08:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke
Why does America charge so high for those weapons?? Taiwan serves as the watchdog for America against China, and is a very useful card for America. Don't be too greedy.
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don't care.Taiwan independence movement isn't as powerful as the media report.the western media's report usually tends toward exaggeration.for example,most westerner know some Taiwanese want to independence,but they don't know some Taiwanese strongly against independence,have westerner ever heard:defend the Republic of China?I sure not many westerner know this.
in another side,the green camp want to buy weapons,let they buy it,after Mainland unify Taiwan with blue Taiwanese's help,that weapons belong to China.I think american's weapons are good for attack the Japan Air force and Navy.
it's clear,Taiwan independence is a dream.because Mainland is being powerful,Taiwan is drift towards under Mainland's control.for example,last year,the Bei Jing Government said: Mainland don't welcome the green Taiwan business man make money in Mainland and put the money into Taiwan independence movement.the Taiwan QiMei corps(奇美集团) boss Xu Wenlong(许文龙) is a green Taiwanese.after the Bei Jing Government's statement was published in the newspater,QiMei Stock prices fallen off.for save his company,Xu Wenlong adressed a statement: I support one China,I don't support Taiwan independence movement.
WEB,i can tell you,if Taiwanese want to do business with Mainland,then he can't support Taiwan independence movement.Taiwan independence movement is poison.maybe you say,the Taiwan business man can select other market.yes,this is a good way to get out of Mainland hand.the QiMei boss Xu Wenlong have ever said: if Mailand don't welcome green Taiwanese,then he can select Vietnam.but at last,why didn't he go to Vietnam to build his factory.because the stockholders threat him adress that statement(don't support Taiwan independence movement),they don't want to go die with Xu Wenlong.everybody is realtic.
since 2000,time and time again,Chen Shuibian said he would look for new market for Taiwan.till today,he couldn't find the new market for Taiwan,instead,Taiwan economy is under Mainland's control.
and most supporters of Taiwan independence movement are poor South Taiwan farmers.in North Taiwan,the Middle class usually against Chen Shuibian,most of them are Provincial,they support unify China.
Taiwan independence,impossible.because both in Mainland and Taiwan have enough power to stop Chen Shuibian do this.
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10-29-2006, 12:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke
Why does America charge so high for those weapons?? Taiwan serves as the watchdog for America against China, and is a very useful card for America. Don't be too greedy.
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Because the market will allow for it.
By the way, can you define greed?
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10-29-2006, 02:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
Secondly, well I think that our weapons are just expensive. Think about it. You talking about a tiny country of 25 million people going up against 1.3 billion. OK, PER CAPITA take a guess who is gonna have to spend more.
Thirdly, China uses Russian equipment (i.e. Kilos, Migs, etc) that has ALWAYS been more expensive (and of inferior quality) than Western equipment.
Lastly, I think that one of the biggest problems is that China has prevented all other European suppliers (and of course Russia) from selling submarines to Taiwan. Taiwan can certainly not afford the nuclear submarines (which are the standard in the US Navy) but we do not make diesel submarines. So we have to create an entirely new line of product just for Taiwan. That's why it is so expensive for subs.
WRT all the other defense products, well we could give Taiwan a discount, however you as a Chinese don't want that, do you?  WEB
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Since Taiwan is so obedient and friendly to America, and also it is very useful to Americans, if I were an American, I would want to just send them weapons as gifts.
An interesting poll about how Taiwanese view America:
The AIT head Steven Young recently publically demanded Taiwan parliament to pass the weapon purchase deal this year, which intrigues negative feelings from Taiwanese.
66% of the Taiwanese think what the American official said is diplomatic threatening, which is not appropriate. 12% think the American official is just being honest, and there is nothing inappropriate.
Now, 45% of the Taiwanese have positive feelings about America; while 25% of the Taiwanese have no positive feelings. Compared with 2003, 68% of the Taiwanese felt positively about America.
41% of the Taiwanese do not support the weapon purchase, while 30% of them support.
Investigation shows that most of the Blue Taiwanese are against the weapon purchase; while the Green Taiwanese are supporting it. Also, the more educated Taiwanese are more against the weapon purchase. For those who have a college diploma, 57% are against the weapon purchase, while 30% support.
46% of the Taiwanese think there is no hurry to pass the American weapon purchase bill, while 25% think the congress should pass it a.s.a.p.
(Now the most interesting part 
68% of the Taiwanese believe that even if they don't buy American weapons, America will still protect them; while 22% do not think so. If the mainland invades Taiwan, will America fight for Taiwan?? 44% of the Taiwanese don't think that America will help, while 40% think America will help.
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10-30-2006, 06:17 AM
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Knight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by superbug
Because the market will allow for it.
By the way, can you define greed?
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I think he meant the US had better don't enrage Mainland China.Chinese people hate American long time.
american is difficult to understand why do Chinese hate american so much,because american don't know Chinese how to comment on Taiwan issue with Chinese culture.I think i can quote a famous Hong Kong writer Jing Yong's speech: unify China is Chinese nation instinct(统一中国是中华民族的本能 http://xys.freedns.us/xys/ebooks/lit...lishidashi.txt ).of course,you don't understand his speech.
China is not Iraq,this is what i can tell you
I have no mean to threat American.i meant if american like to make friend with Chinese,then Chinese welcome American.if American insist treat Chinese as enemy,then Chinese don't fear American.
Last edited by winter6126 : 10-30-2006 at 06:59 AM.
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