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Old 05-11-2008, 12:18 AM
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USA sent Special Force in Myanmar in 2003. They dropped them in Northern Myanmar jungles, but their mission failed. This is one of the reasons why Myanmar moved their capital from coastal Yangon to inlands. It is also not surprising Myanmar officials accept only American aid, but not people.
That's interesting. I don't see any proof of it.
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:22 AM
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So when people are starving and hurt, and the state refuses to help them because it puts its own national image and politics above the well-being of the people, the state has essentially failed.

Yes I think without question what you are saying is right and this is why people and governments have been feeling so frustrated.

People have just been desperate to help these people.

I think that this law would be brought into effect if it was thought that it would provide the best outcome.

BBC NEWS | UK | Forcing aid to Burma 'incendiary'

It does just make me sick that a Government for whatever reason has so little interest in the lives of its people that it is allowing this to happen and further hiding from it's own people that this is happening.

I would definitely think they are falling out with the 'Responsibility to Protect', it just is that the UN and countries have, unlike the Burmese government, the objective of helping the people. At the moment the emotional response is to wipe everything aside and do everything to get aid in, but that may not give the best result at this time.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:26 PM
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Twice today I have heard mutterings on the news of getting aid into Burma militarily. Seems like it might be a little late if they are going to do it....but they reckon only 1/3 of the people needing help have been reached. I hate to think what people will find if they do go in.
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BBC NEWS | UK | Forcing aid to Burma 'incendiary'

It does just make me sick that a Government for whatever reason has so little interest in the lives of its people that it is allowing this to happen and further hiding from it's own people that this is happening.

I would definitely think they are falling out with the 'Responsibility to Protect', it just is that the UN and countries have, unlike the Burmese government, the objective of helping the people. At the moment the emotional response is to wipe everything aside and do everything to get aid in, but that may not give the best result at this time.
Amen to that.
And for military intervention, I think the US was talking about it, but their resources are so stretched in Iraq that they gave up on another possible confrontation in Asia.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:56 AM
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Amen to that.
And for military intervention, I think the US was talking about it, but their resources are so stretched in Iraq that they gave up on another possible confrontation in Asia.
I heard yesterday that the US were asking for a 'corridor' to be opened up, but I also heard that the UK were suggesting going in militarily as well.

We get to see pictures of very neatly organized civilians receiving in lines food aid from smiling Burma officials, then we see pictures taken by journalists who have got in of tents having been put up where no one is and no one in them while people have not been reached. One place that journalists have got to has just about been flattened and the survivors have only had the Buddhist monks to go to for refuge and apparently they have received aid - 1 sack of rice!!!

I think what has thrown everyone is that the government in any country could be so indifferent to the needs of it's people.

They also diverted resources which could have been engaged in helping people into making sure this sham vote took place.

I believe the UN hoped that they would come round and they have let a small amount more help in since Friday.

And then, what would happen if people went in by force, and how would Burma be ruled after, what would happen, I do not know? I've heard people suggesting that the monks could be involved in looking after the country for a while which doesn't seem too daft as they apparently are used to giving political advice there, but they would need an army to protect them.

It's just been one of the most pitiful and insane incidents I have seen, where help is there, people need it but are unable to be given it.

I did also hear someone say that whether people decided to risk taking Burma on militarily might be to do with how much they weighted up whether it was politically helpful for them rather than genuine need to help.


I guess we will need to wait for the history books to find out whether we are criticised for standing outside while people died or did the best thing not making the situation worse bu going in....

that is unless we are still thinking of going in so late.
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:25 AM
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Well, we may yet get another chance.Myanmar survivors brace for second cyclone _English_Xinhua
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Old 05-14-2008, 01:18 PM
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I saw your post earlier and I thought oh no, please not, but it is now being reported on the news here that this is a possibility.
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:11 PM
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I hope the state in Burma will come to its senses and realize that people can't eat sovereignty. They have to put their egos aside and open their borders fully, especially BEFORE the next one comes.
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