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When we were the Sick Man of Asia


When we are billed to be the next Superpower, we are called The Threat.

When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.

When we embrace Free Trade, You blame us for taking away your jobs.

When we were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.

When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again, Free Tibet you screamed, It Was an Invasion!

When tried Communism, you hated us for being Communist.

When we embrace Capitalism, you hate us for being Capitalist.

When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.

When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights.

When we were poor, you thought we were dogs.

When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts.

When we build our industries, you call us Polluters.

When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming.

When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide.

When you go to war for oil, you call it liberation.

When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law.

When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating human rights.

When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech.

When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed xenophobics.

Why do you hate us so much, we asked. No, you answered, we don’t hate you.

We don’t hate you either, But, do you understand us? Of course we do, you said, We have AFP, CNN and BBC’s…

What do you really want from us? Think hard first, then answer…

Because you only get so many chances.

Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for This One World.

We want One World, One Dream, and Peace on Earth.

This Big Blue Earth is Big Enough for all of Us

Duo-Liang Lin, Ph. D.
Professor Emeritus of Physics
University at Buffalo
State University of New York

It summarizes my viewpoint:

Western power wants the world to revolve around them

No media is objective. It's as objective as the person who funds it, manages it and writes it

Power politics is dirty. Despite the UN facade (which is also dictated by a few powerful voices) Countries use all means to create instability and havoc so that their neighbours are never as strong as them. Tracing back, US had a hand in creating the world's most dangerous people, and later drag all every countries into the dirty war of undoing the wrong it has done.

They call it Freedom and liberalising people - not unlike how China commies pitch it when they "liberalise" Tibet.

anya

You always miss the point. No one has ever said that free speech is unbiased speech. It simply is the ability for people to be able to find out what is going on and have their opinion about it. That is all.

People on here have said time and again, that just because they are asking or have criticism of some things in China does not mean they are unaware of things other countries get up to and would not speak their minds on that to.

You fail to notice that people are also trying to find a way to help Chinese people who you choose to forget and if you want to speak with us and be part of the international community, that will happen.

This is to do with issues.

When you do not allow people to see and know what is happening in your country, you clearly have things to hide. When you imprison and kill people who work to get the news out, you clearly have something to hide.

This is not about people against the Chinese people. You do not even allow the Chinese people to speak for themselves.....

so pretty little poem, but if you want to put your head in the sand that is up to you, simply do not blame us.

chaochao

Of course everyone can say what he wants to say, it is his freedom, but he should be aware of that his words may hurt somebody else before he implements his freedom of speech.

Thanks for westerners' kindness and concern on chinese people, I think westerners care us more than we do, so I suggest abandoning the current gov and inviting western gov to manage China! Chinese people will be sure to welcome them.

It seems in your eyes chinese people now entirely have no human rights and we are suffering from killing and jail.
"Put your head in the sand", I don't know who on the earth put his head in the sand, chinese or westerners and their gov! It seems someone would not like to accept the reality that an old but young country with different belief and constitution is recovering again for deep sleep! Facing the reality, they just choose to criticize on the bias of ideology!

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anya

Yes I agree words can hurt, the truth can hurt, but the truth is the important thing. Truth that hurts one person can be what saves another. There is a big different between saying your own opinion, or speaking the truth and deliberately hurting someone.
I think unfortunately this may be true concerning the Chinese people who post on the board, but I am sure it is not true about Chinese people in general.

My goodness has someone fooled you into believing their is a 'western gov' who you can invite without the will of your people to manage China?

This refers to the situation concerning free speech and the link given yesterday by Pug_ster. It reports that China is in 163rd place in the world on freedom of the press with a 94 point score. The same website said

'Unfortunately nothing has changed in the countries that are the worst predators of press freedom,” the organisation said, “and journalists in North Korea, Eritrea, Turkmenistan, Cuba, Burma and China are still risking their life or imprisonment for trying to keep us informed. These situations are extremely serious and it is urgent that leaders of these countries accept criticism and stop routinely cracking down on the media so harshly.'

as you will see it says that people are risking their lives or imprisoned trying to get news out.

As it was provided as a credible source by a Chinese person, I trust you will accept it.

Here is the link
Reporters sans frontières - Annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index - 2006

chaochao

I love the hurt by truth, but I hate the hurt by lies!

I suggest all our people welcome western gov to come to manage china, because they do better than our own gov! They can bring all that we want! Western countries especially UK and US greatly cares people's willing, so when their people are willing to send troops to start war and killing, their gov obey!

I admit it is truth that press don't have enough freedom as western press have, but the description on risking life and crackdown is not true, there are newspapers and TV who often reveal bad things and criticize gov badly in China, I can buy those newspaper on newsstand and watch those TV freely!
People also criticize gov's unclearity badly, if you can read chinese language, you can find those critics esily on chinese forums.
I think it is also a truth that when reporting things about China's bad things, knowingly distortion exists!

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anya

I am at a loss as to why you do not acknowledge the truth of the matter

Well no, not really, if you acknowledge the truth of the matter you might feel a need to do something about it.

chaochao

Truth, truth! We often debate what is truth, you said yours is truth, and i said mine is truth, and others said theirs are truth! Woo, truth always brings debate! You are from UK? I think we can understand this issue with the example of Tony Blair, when he started the war with Bush, he said they have enough evidence that the war was required, he said those evidences were truth! So if you support the War, you think what he said is truth, but if you oppose the war, you think he was lying and you wouldn't like to hear his words because you think liar never say truth!
The same when you criticize China and our things, at the very beginning of your criticism you have made the conclusion China gov is liar, so all the reports from China's press about the good things of gov are not truth and controlled by the gov, meanwhile all the reports about bads of China gov from western press are truth!
I think there is no thing to do with truth, just has something to do with our perspectives.

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anya

My opinion of the Iraq war is not the subject of this thread. You have had plenty of evidence in these threads as to what is going on.

If you just continue to say it is not happening, then I can only come to the conclusion that you cannot accept the truth.

GlobalSmiles

Well Chinese government has no law for free speech, just a law for free complaints ad it clearly sates you must go o your local official. If you go to the press with the way the Chinese constitution is worded, you lose all recourse. Now I really think yo fail to understand the tone of western criticism towards China. Its not a matter of enforcing our views on China as it is the setting up of the minimum standards the whole world should be living in. China cannot be allowed to continue its unchecked hegemony without some serious change in policy and while many western cowards may never rise up against a Chinese communist hegemony I can guarantee the Midwest of the US will stand against this crap.

International opinion does matter even if you don't like it. . .

chaochao

I take the Iraq thing just for an example!

As i have said, I admit the truth that our gov control the press to some extent and our press is not as free as western mode media, but the killing and jail ( of course, if the press violate laws it may be jail, that is other subject) is also not true! You just see the part truth that our gov control the press, but you don't see our gov has more and more loose and free press policy! One thing may have good and bad thing, when consider it, please think over it from both of the sides not just one!

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