No elections? Just no the western elections! People elect representatives, representatives collect the related issues from their area and set forth proposals when Congress, all representatives vote to determine whether those proposals should be implemented! That the nation-wide congress, in local area there are also congress held, people manage main local affairs. Just a brief of our election and vote. I think that is not bad, the only problem is that we are not implementing that very well now!

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why you diverted to other countries and other people when discussing China? Is there any need and meaning to make that comparison.

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借我三千虎贲，复我浩荡中华! 汉旗指处，望尘逃遁！敢犯我中华天威者，虽远必诛!

The CCP is highly centralized, those petty officers that are voted for in villages have virtually no legislative power (I think this is the 20 th time I have stated this unchallenged -- time to move on from this false argument, wouldn't you say?). Beyond a Chamber of Commerce role, they're useless. And you're trying to pass that system to that of a highly simplistic, generalized perception of a western system (although it's American, not western)? It is bad, it's horrible. There's no general consensus, regarding laws, foreign affairs, economic planning.
Here's the deal, everytime you say "western", I'm going to say East Asia. Deal?
Start:
Those Chinese people are sooo cruel, look at all the genocides committed by East Asians during WW2.

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But I stick to the main point: some pictures don't mean anything.
I go from issues regarding Chinese health care, and it ends up with suicide rates in Taiwan with you.
Argumentative logic, I suggest you read a book on it if it's not censored by your all beloved CCP.

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in a country like China, both democracy and developing speed are needed. how to assure speed? centralization of power. its not as easy to practise democracy in a country with so vast land and 2000 yrs of totalitarian tradition as in a country founded by a bunch of travllers 2 hundred yrs ago.

who said i hate democracy? now its you that got a half ass conclusion. my stance on demorcracy is above. btw did and does the Dalai Lama practise democracy? as far as i know, they still attach much importance to divination when they have to make decisions.

then just come to China to do a probe, see if most people support the government on Tibet.

lol is wheather Bushs influence > Hu Jintao has anything to do with you? i mentioned Bush just as an example, maybe i should have used another guy. dont take it too seriously.

this pic, see who is on Mao Zedong's left?

We discuss China but foreign Nazi appeared in the end! In fact in that thread I also didn't talk about health care, i just mentioned the frence were given special treat, there was no main stick, everyone can discuss the related things. So we came to other things.

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借我三千虎贲，复我浩荡中华! 汉旗指处，望尘逃遁！敢犯我中华天威者，虽远必诛!

oh given that you might doubt we Chinese living within China are brainwashed, you can ask Chinese living in Canada to see if most of them support the government on Tibet.

Who's to say the right speed when those involved don't have a say. Again, you can do it fast, or you can do it right. As I have argued unchallenged many times, the former never out does a democratic system. It's always a step behind, copying and manufacturing other's products and ideas. Plus, in this case, it destroys the environment and lives. Free trade is beneficial to all. State forced trade is beneficial to some and disastrous for the rest.

That was only in response to your sense of losing sovereignty in China to "western" democratic idea. I don't see how Chinese people can't identify themselves ethnically with a democracy in place. It's not like economic liberalism has at all been the tradition in China, but so far whatever of it has been conceded by the CCP and thus initiated has done wonders.
There's no reason to say the Dalai Lama will be the leader of an independent Tibet. Was Ghandi democratic? Was his title Mahatma a democratic one? Yet his cause for independence led the way for Nehru who was democratic.
And I take from your lack of response you can't argue that without a democracy there's absolutely no way to determine what the people actually want except by making realist generalized and ignorant assumption about every single person within a national border.

Again, I was born and raised in Quebec and I had no idea what the results for separation would be until AFTER the referendum. I can't probe 1.3 billion people and neither can you. Your insistence on knowing what is impossible to know only perpetuates my conclusion that CCP apologists are incredibly insecure about their government.
I never needed to assert or could assert anything like that during the referendum. So why and how can you about China? Because of a few lame pictures? None sense.

No I stated specifically that Hu Jing Tao has little influence outside of China because he is not elected -- he is not the legitimate president of China.

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I dunno, you at a wax museum? wow.

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No, GoChina used a fallacious argument, I merely posted a more concrete example to demonstrate his wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, saying Taiwan has high suicide rates does nothing towards the discussion of health care....

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smallpox, I need to correct you. Hu jingtao is elected. He was elected to presidency by the people's conference. He was elected to secretary general of the party by the party's generally assembly. But it is not recognized as democracy, isn't it? I agree on this. But excuse me for bringing in US as US somehow represent the paradigm for democracy. Americans got to choose one from two every four years. Chinese people's conference got to elect one nominated by the party every 5 years. US is a little better, right? A little better means democracy. One fewer candidates means authoritarian. Quantity change leads to quality change. Let's say Chinese will enjoy the true blessing of democracy when we have two candidates every 4-5 years. At least Chinese will have one more kill-time every 4-5 years. Now the play is somehow detached from the popular entertainment. Too bad and ill humor for the commies.