chaochao

Maybe Taiwan province has better health care services than most of other provinces of China, but no matter how great it is, it can't treat the suicide of Taiwan's credit card slaves. but of course you would never hear about it.

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smallpox

What does that have to do with health care?

mikado

You're right, I've not heard about it. Does Taiwan have a higher suicide rate then the Mainland then?

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smallpox

No, it's because there's a problem in Taiwan, ergo all wrongs in the CCP are not of concern to anyone.
Health care is a matter of direct government policies. I can point my finger at the CCP and say "YOU! YOU are responsible for this, fix it!"
Suicide, unless advocated by the state (I have yet to hear to such policies anywhere), are the problems of individuals. The state is not directly responsible for bad credit management from the individual that engages in trade, the individual is responsible.

chaochao

Woo, " all wrongs in the CCP are not of concern to anyone", I have been used to hearing that from foreigners with prejudice. Our gov and CCP don't care any of chinese people! Great conclusion from a calm no-nationalist!

I think if there were such high suicide rate in China mainland, you will also point your finger at the CCP and say "YOU! YOU are responsible for this, fix it!" But when that happens in other places, it has nothing to do with the gov, gov has done everything well, if one wants to die, ok, just go head! Fantastic conclusion.
So from all your posts I read, I can think that all the troubles in CHina attribute to the gov of CCP, if chinese say some good things on CCP, they are blind nationalists, CCP is entire evil regime, we should oppose all things that CCP supports! People should cast down CCP and China should implement western democratic constitution! I think those are yours main points.
So i don't know whether i am nationalists, but it seems you are sure to be.

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smallpox

That's not at all what I said. What I said is that we can't have a discussion about the wrong doings of the CCP, because everytime it comes up, this foreign government did that, that foreign government did this.

Like I said, unless the CCP put forward policy to encourage suicide rates, then I would have absolutely no reason to say this. Health care on the other hand is under the authority of the government.
YOU have no reason to claim I would say this.

I never said any of this. You can say good things about it, I sometimes say good things about it whenever I can, but you go beyond that. Everything you say is good anything that is wrong is either overlooked by diverting the conversation to the other problems of unrelated countries or if you do admit faults it's always prettied up.

chaochao

of course we can discuss about wrong things of CCP, chinese discuss that here everyday, what i want to say is that because some foreign gov's did, and are doing bad things against China, so when those countries criticize us, no matter their critics are right or wrong, we think " it shit again, our affairs are not your business". for example: I ever hit on your face, and then you meet some problems at home, and i come to say " hi, stupid you are wrong, let me teach you how to do", can you accept that? Would you be happy to say " OK, my dear friend, come in".

I also have said that for many times, I admit wrong and bad things by CCP and gov, those bad things are true, I never deny that! But it seems wrong and bad things of CCP have different standards to judge by you and by me, so that is why we debate!

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smallpox

So if I'm ever on trial for something I did, then I will defend by saying someone else did something wrong. It's a fallacy.
There's only one way for good governance, that has been proven extensively philosophically and historically. You have no reason to oppose them but out of sheer pride for the "Chinese way" -- even though that too has proven a failure.
You only discuss the wrongs the CCP admits, like corruption. Never the actual issues with the whole system of governance it has put in place. You just accuse other countries that have nothing to do with it. Are Chinese hospital crappy because Taiwan has high suicide rates? That is just one example out of many.



Ok, make it simple. After all my talks against centralization, after the precedents against it, after all its short comings; do you support a central government form and a one party system? Let's have this conversation. Let's not get into the US or anything outside of China, the country.
If you think so, then argue against my arguments against it.

chaochao

Yes, I am proud of our chinese way which is entirely different from western ways! Failure? Proven? Who proved that? You?

I know you meant that I only discussed phenomena on the surface but not research the deep cause of those phenomena! In your opinions the evetual reason of china's problems attribute to the CCP and the socialism constitution, because it is not like western democratic constitution, so the way to resolve in your eyes is just to change our constitution, just like Soviet Union ever did!
That can only express you are an anti-socialism person, I think if there were two CCPs govern china, you would say although there are two parties, but both of them are communist parties, so China still doesn't have freedom and democracy!

" do you support a central government form and a one party system?" OK, I will answer this question man-to-man: YES, I SUPPORT! At least now, I support it, because only one strong central gov can sustain a stable and united China developing with high growth! In China now, only CCP can do that! Liberalism and western mode democracy can give us nothing except the prate and slogan of democracy! Without unity and stability, democracy is just a shit! We have been lectured deeply by those in old China!

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Slartibartfas

Sounds like the standard nationalist thought pattern. Replace "Chinese" and "western" and you can fit this sentence for pretty every nationalist against another country/culture.

It includes the thought of the own superiority and the inferiority of the others. If you should think that way, you are actually not really different from Western nationalists.