Agreed, but then again, it's playing into their games of alleviating Chinese problems. Doesn't matter if the US commits genocide, the CCP still treats its people horribly.

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Of course, it's impossible to phantom the idea that a state without accountability could ever do something really bad.

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Oh and to Pug-star, I have stated several time that with the accountability of allowing people to elect their government officers, there will be incentives to reduce corruption. But you just ignored that, because for some unexplained reason, you oppose any sort of substantial elections within China. Internal investigation of corruption within a party by the party itself can just as easily mean more corruption.

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Awww, you don't like what I said so you use this as your personal complain thread. Meanwhile, those Montreal Candiens trashed the town after they won the championship as their way to practice freedom of protest. At least they can be more patient until they win the Stanley cup or something.

Edit: Since you mention corruption, electing leaders doesn't reduce corruption, at least here in the US. As long as those Lobbyists keep helping them out with the finance with their election, it doesn't work. The last time when China has some 'freedoms' during 1982-1989, the Western funded NGO's paid western educated writers and scholars. These people abused the freedom of press by publishing the great ideas about upseating your government and the need for democracy.

I'd like to make something clear to everyone on here. I am not attacking Chinese nationalism, I dislike all nationalism, including Canadian nationalism. It is with the utmost objectivity that I say these cases that you pointed out, pug_star, are to a much lesser extent than what's happening in China and that it relates to nothing in the end. There's absolutely no reason to bring up other countries when criticizing China. If you want to criticize Montrealers for a dozen arrest after a riot that happened a month ago, fine, make another thread about it, we'll discuss it and I'll be able to discuss it without having to say "China did that". I wish I could expect the same from you. I don't know how many times I'll have to repeat this, but by golly, I'll copy and paste it until it goes through at least one of you.

I was calling for decentralized elections and general elections. If you want to throw in lobbyist, that's up to you, but I never advocated them.
Now, tell me how accountability works when there is none? Tell me how the CCP can solve problems within itself.
There's nothing wrong opposing your government. Just goes to show that democracy "Chinese-style" (AKA half ass) does not work.

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SORRY for my poor english, it need to be improved a lot. It is me ,should apologize. Mr.WEB is right and concern this issue about non-native language users here.

By the term" information pig farm", I mean it is this CCP controled media supplying information as supplying daily feed suffs to Chinese people, just like in pig farm.

I wish this discuss is wrong about the Chinese culture, but it seems very true for me to understand the real motivation behind our Chinese mind.

Met Chinese or visit China is not a bad idea to understand Chinese culture,
but it is not the only ways.

About this web rules, i do not believe the topics will talk by itself ,there is always individual person are talking at any where on this world. The facts in CHINA is that just because of the posts in oversea website or forums , CHinese government jials our people. Anyway, i would like to follow this forum rules as long as possible.We are from the rude culture, please remember as this discuss i put here shows.

For love is patient, please give more tolerance to us chinese here.
If we do not want to use our mouth, ear, eyes individually, what' s you can do? just praying for HIS blessing !

In the name of Chinese or China, we can do anything without feel any guilty.
So, i would not like to talk with those of our chinese without any personal or individual judgement,or common sense. They are our pig-farm feed chinese, a shame of this world. We chinese are only strong in collective, in gangs or organizations, or at least ,at last the nation of China.

Thanks of this economic freedom today in China,we at least temperorily get some power to live an individual life.

It is an war on the spritual or information layers of this world, they can make fully use of this freedom of speech in western to invasion or even occupy your WESTERN mind with their so-called Chinese culture or Yellow mentality.
BUT NOT IN CHINA FOR CHINESE.

Do you know how to make amendement of my first post? one of my friends has made this topic in english only. I believe it is also help to keep the rules be followed. i do not want to chinese words showing here.. thanks.

I am struggling to understand you

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I'd imagine the best way to find out about that would be to contact a moderator and ask them

Ok let me check whether I have understood you correctly

You are saying here similar to the discussion at the beginning of this post, that the CCP controlled media supplies information to the Chinese people to keep them happy, rather than anything to do with real information.
You are wanting to discuss that this is wrong about Chinese culture and you want to understand the real motivation behind China's collective mind?

Visiting China and speaking to Chinese people are some ways to understand Chinese culture but not the only ways.

Chinese people are at risk of jail for speaking their minds on the internet.

You appear here to saying that Chinese people may be afraid to say what they think and you are asking that people be patient with them.

I think here your having a go at people who simply believe everything they are told without questioning.



That I can understand alright.
Are you saying here that you think that Chinese propaganda makes full use of 'western' freedom of speech, to try and influence us of their propaganda but does not allow Chinese people inside China to have the same kind of debate on the news?

So have I understood you. This has been a genuine attempt to do that. Nothing more

Thanks,but we known those tools to break the Great FireWall of China, the new 7 wonder of this Technical World today.hehe.

Not that simple for happy,but to make Chinese be their tools ,or just the pork "meat" for them to eat.


As a Chinese this discuss may make us feel uneasy and shameful,but it is true.
One of the best description about the reality in Chinese mind.



Yes, exactly what i means. You know Bible said God looks at our heart and soul, in China we are educated with outside behaviour, and never pay attention to inside motivation.


EXACTILY TRUTH.



Our Chinese people has been disabled the ability to make their own judgement on political issues since we are from children over last 20 years, especially after Tiananmen in 1989.
Those Chinese youth study in western now have been feed with government feed stuffs.
There is an political science class since middle school, which give them the political terms and answers for political issues.there is only one correct answer as alway,which leads to praise the "great, glorious ,and correct" CCP hehe.
If they come to this forum , just encourage them to think, see, say,hear with their own mind.


Not just simple believe, but they are lazy to try ,to knock the door for truth.
they wish to feel happy, as this discuss have said that the YELLOW know how to satisfy their flesh happiness..........