gs001

Indonesia is such a savage nation, are they human being?

I believe in future China will have to fight a war to protect our Chinese
fellowmen there, I hope our western hypocritical friends won't intervene in
this conflict.
Now comes the 10th anniversary of anti-Chinese riot in Indonesia.
that is what they did in 1998.
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smallpox

There are no comparative advantages to trade. Trade is beneficial to all parties involved. It benefits some more than others, but it makes everyone better off. Including South America. South America is not going to get out of poverty with nationalizing things. It'll create more instability in the region and mis-management. I have no idea how anyone could support anything other than free trade economically speaking. You've seen the numbers, the historical precedents; there's no viable benevolent state.
These incentives to attract companies are more than often withdrawal of the state from trade (tax break).

smallpox

And Chinese people still practice feet binding and the emperor still has public execution just before the entrance of the forbidden palace.

The Lying Dutchman

you speak of how the theory is if it works perfectly, but in practice we see that all nations subsidize their industries while blocking others. this distorts the story of all benefiting the current free trade. it is not in everybodies best interest and therefore countries exist that stop believing this perspective.

you underestimate the benefits both states and corporations have in being present abroad. state and market are very closely connected.

gs001

"still practice" in China? where and when?
From this we can see the hypocrisy of westerners,
when dogs and cats are eaten, westerners
cry painfully, as if their dads and mams are eaten.
and they also whine for fabled slaughter in Tibet.
when they see the real, Irrefutable human slaughter, they become Insensitive.

smallpox

Wow, did I say comparative advantages? I must have been really tired when I wrote this, I meant; there's no relative advantage in trade.
Further it is the most perfect system there is. Subsidies have decreased amongst other barriers to trade and subsequently, the global economy has been doing better. Free trade increases productivity and allocated resources most efficiently.
Subsidies are not at all useful for the greater of society and in most developed countries account mostly for agricultural output, defence and infant industries -- a small minority of their markets. Take Canada; farmers get subsidies, because if they don't they protest and bicker and so on. With subsidies, we employ the 3% of the farmer population, consequently, we raise the price of food for everyone in Canada. How you determine that these fews farmer's wellfair is greater than all of Canada's is beyond me. Plus, the subsidies keep an artificial agricultural class, one that would have lesser opportunity cost working in a different field. So the whole of society loses tax dollars, loses needed workers, food expenses and developing nations are losing market for their exports. And for what? To keep 3% of the population working here but not there? None sense.
States worlwide are willingly withdrawing from market intervention because they have realise the folly of this by initiating the Washington Consensus. The state is a lot less involved than it was before, and in return, there's a better economy. No doubt the state has a useful purpose, but very rarely does this purpose involve altering economic outcomes.

smallpox

Strange, you don't want this kind of trite, outdated stigma about China, yet you spread it about other countries. Have a taste of your own medicine.
And I never cried about dogs and cats, I ate dogs before in China and I have said this many times already. But OH that's right, it doesn't matter what I say or think, I'm a "westerner", so I find so perfectly in your little pre-disposed ideas of what a "westerner" is and thinks.

The Lying Dutchman

im not discussing wether state intervention is damaging or not to glabal economy, but the fact is that the global is still steered by states. the EU will not be stopping oversubsidizing their farmers in the neir future, this is something that other (developing) countries have to anticipate on when they trade with the EU and US: they are not getting their products on our markets. we see it in every trade summit where it is the third world pleading for fair trade while the west is only interested in the protection of their own corporations in the third world. yes trade is liberalizing, but at a far too slow rate for most developing countries that are not going to wait for the west to stop their protectionism. they see it as an illogical step for the west to open up to their exports.

smallpox

If the state's true purpose is for the welfare of its citizens, then it'd make sense to advocate policies that will create economic growth, even if these policies include the reduction of state power and significance on the international scene.

Why not? It's what's stalling the current WTO talks, and with the increase price of agricultural products, soon subsidies won't be needed to keep these farmers working in European farms.

The WTO has made extraordinary progress so far, I don't see why it wouldn't keep the progress especially since the goals have already been set.

pug_ster

Aren't you the one asked everybody else not to talk about off topic stuff here? Yet in a Indonesia thread and you are talking China's foot binding which is no longer practiced.

If you look at gs001's link, there are pictures brooms shoved in a dead women's you know where, dead corpses dragged in motorbikes, corpse burning, beheadings, and even in children. Even if these people 'deserved' this, this is cruel. Even if people's head get blown off in executions in China is humane compared to what happened to the killings in Indonesia.