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04-29-2008, 03:25 PM
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As long as they openly trade on the global market, none of these will lead to war.
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04-29-2008, 03:27 PM
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No, Hugo outright nationalized the oil business in Venezuala. You can't expect the military security benefits of free trade when you have anti-free trade policies.
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Call it whatever you want. When Hugo nationalized the oil business, it made the rich venezuelans very unhappy, and they are connected to the US. But there's always someone behind the scene pulling the strings.
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And never said Iraq was like Canada, merely why a war would happen there and not in other places.
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Nobody knows the future. But if the US don't like a certain country, they are always willing to support some chump within the government to overthrow/destabilize it. But the US's enemy in the near future is Iran, Syria and North Korea, not Indonesia. |
04-29-2008, 03:32 PM
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Call it whatever you want. When Hugo nationalized the oil business, it made the rich venezuelans very unhappy, and they are connected to the US. But there's always someone behind the scene pulling the strings.
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Aliens from the planet Kurmoillltiak 4?
My whole point is as long as there's free trade, there's no war and you counter that with an example of nationalizing industries?
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Nobody knows the future. But if the US don't like a certain country, they are always willing to support some chump within the government to overthrow/destabilize it. But the US's enemy in the near future is Iran, Syria and North Korea, not Indonesia.
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You mean if the US doesn't like a certain PERSON, they will overthrow him. Sometimes, yes. But all within the laws of economics.
I think in 50 years, North Korea will become what China is today. They've started SOME forms of businesses and perhaps inviting that American orchestra into the country will prove to be another ping-pong-diplomacy.
I'm not too familiar with Iranian politics or economics, but their leader seems like a complete idiot, wouldn't be surprise if their economies fall way behind in the near future. |
04-29-2008, 04:07 PM
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Aliens from the planet Kurmoillltiak 4?
My whole point is as long as there's free trade, there's no war and you counter that with an example of nationalizing industries?
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The Online NewsHour: Hugo Chavez's Venezuela | Hugo Chavez -- December 21, 2006 | PBS
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According to Venezuela's National Institute of Statistics, poverty has decreased during Chavez's presidency from 42 percent in 1999 to roughly 35-38 percent in 2005. Upon election, Chavez promptly eliminated fees for public schools and created volunteer-based schools in rural communities to widen education access. In an infamous "oil-for-services" program, he sold oil to Cuba at a favorable rate in exchange for Cuban doctors to provide health care to Venezuelans who would otherwise have none.
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You mean if the US doesn't like a certain PERSON, they will overthrow him. Sometimes, yes. But all within the laws of economics.
I think in 50 years, North Korea will become what China is today. They've started SOME forms of businesses and perhaps inviting that American orchestra into the country will prove to be another ping-pong-diplomacy.
I'm not too familiar with Iranian politics or economics, but their leader seems like a complete idiot, wouldn't be surprise if their economies fall way behind in the near future.
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Could very vell happen...
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04-29-2008, 04:13 PM
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According to Venezuela's National Institute of Statistics, poverty has decreased during Chavez's presidency from 42 percent in 1999 to roughly 35-38 percent in 2005. Upon election, Chavez promptly eliminated fees for public schools and created volunteer-based schools in rural communities to widen education access. In an infamous "oil-for-services" program, he sold oil to Cuba at a favorable rate in exchange for Cuban doctors to provide health care to Venezuelans who would otherwise have none.
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04-29-2008, 04:15 PM
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Boy you should have read the article:
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Since his first election, Chavez has benefited from extraordinary oil revenue and in turn poured billions of dollars into social welfare programs known as "missions," designed to better provide health services, education and food to the poor, which until recently accounted for about half of the Venezuelan population.
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04-29-2008, 04:20 PM
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Yes, but what's your argument? Because as-is, these quotes don't relate much to my arugment.
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04-29-2008, 04:38 PM
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I said that Rich Venezuelans hated Chavez because he took the Oil profits and benefitted the poor but you said it was because of nationalizing industries. However, he naturalized industries much later after 2002, which was after the failed coup. Now do you have any proof of what you stated as fact?
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04-29-2008, 05:50 PM
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I said that Rich Venezuelans hated Chavez because he took the Oil profits and benefitted the poor but you said it was because of nationalizing industries. However, he naturalized industries much later after 2002, which was after the failed coup. Now do you have any proof of what you stated as fact?
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No, I said there might have been American involvement in the coup BECAUSE he nationalized the oil industry; then you said rich people started hating him and went off into your own tangent.
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04-29-2008, 05:59 PM
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No, Hugo outright nationalized the oil business in Venezuala. You can't expect the military security benefits of free trade when you have anti-free trade policies.
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why is nationalisation of an industry a violation on free trade? isnt it just a policy choice any regime is entitled to make? |
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