Anyone who can translate this french letter to english, it is from French president. - Page 3 - Political Forum

mikado · 04-23-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LostInTranslation

They are protesting because they were told that the biggest shareholder of Carrefour has donated money to the Dalai Lama. In addition, after learning that Chinese plan to boycott Carrefour on May 1st (International Labor Day), it was rumored that Carrefour's management has planned a big sale on that specific date, which only served to anger Chinese more (so you think we can be bought?) Such claim has since been denied by Carrefour, but we have all seen the power of rumor and media, haven't we?

Did you hear about this incident?

Shanghaiist: Attack on an American volunteer by anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou, Hunan: UPDATED

Granted, one incident in a huge country, but scary for the individual concerned, from the sound of it.

smallpox · 04-23-2008, 04:26 PM

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Chère Mademoiselle Jin Jing,
　　
　　Je voudrais vous dire toute mon émotion pour la façon dont vous avez été bousculée à Paris le 7 avril dernier lorsque vous portiez la flamme olympique. Vous avez fait preuve d’un courage remarquable qui vous fait honneur, et à travers vous, à tout votre pays.

Dear Mis. Jin Jing.

I would like to convey my emotion for the way you were pushed/disturbed in Paris on April 7th when you were carrying the Olympic torch. You proved to have a remarkable courage and have demonstrated your country's honour.

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Comme j’ai eu l’occasion de le souligner le lendemain même du passage de la flamme olympique en France, je comprends que la sensibilité chinoise ait été blessée par ce qui s’est passé, et en particulier par l’attaque inadmissible dont vous avez été victime et que je réprouve avec la plus grande vigueur.

As I had the opportunity to highlight the very next day after the torch went through France, I understand that the Chinese sensibility has been injured because of what happened, especially by the inexcusable attack of which you have been victimized and that I oppose with great zeal.

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Pour tenter d’effacer ce moment pénible, je souhaite vous proposer de vous rendre en France dans les prochaines semaines comme mon invitée personnelle, et celle du peuple de France.

In an attempt to forget these hard times, I wish to invite you to come to France as my personal guest as well as that of the People of France in these next few weeks.

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Dans l’attente de vous accueillir à Paris, je vous prie de bien vouloir accepter, chère Mademoiselle Jin Jing, l’expression de ma profonde sympathie, et vous demande de bien vouloir transmettre à l’ensemble de votre famille et à vos proches l’expression de mes sentiments les plus cordiaux.

I hope you can accept such a proposition of welcoming you to Paris, dear Ms. Jin Jing, and to accept my deep sympathy and to convey this to the whole of your family and closed one my courteous emotions.

smallpox · 04-23-2008, 04:33 PM

On a personal note, I find it completely retarded (for a lack of a better word) that people in China must boycott foreign firms of French/American origin (like Carrefoure, KFC). What a pointless waste of time. The firms are privately owned by international shares (meaning the owners aren't even necessarily of American or French citizenship AS IF THE FACT THAT THEY"RE FROM THIS SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED IMAGINARY BORDER LINE MEANT ANYTHING MORE THAN LEGAL CITIZENSHIP IN THE FIRST PLACE). Wake up people, this is not some mercantilist mechanism a la Indian Salt trade; you're only hurting private individuals abroad and in China (that's right, business benefits both parties, lack thereof hurts both parties). And for what? BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THESE FIRMS DARED TO EXPRESS THEIR OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS?
I thought the Chinese people wanted to show a strong state, one that we could have confidence in.....strength and power is not measured by suppressing dissidents, a truly great state is one that can exist despite very present opposition within its own border.

kmoo · 04-24-2008, 03:08 AM

there are a lot of dumb chinese people. they think that privately owned companies should be attacked for an imaginary "anti-Chinese" sentiment from all westerners.

smallpox · 04-24-2008, 03:29 AM

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there are a lot of dumb chinese people. they think that privately owned companies should be attacked for an imaginary "anti-Chinese" sentiment from all westerners.

In all fairness, it's not a "Chinese thing". Westerners were no better when education was lacking and subsequently nationalism was prevailing.

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I think it's pretty funny when people pull out this Nationalist thing that Chinese nationals are different and can't work a western/foreign system of liberalism because it is well...foreign..........NATIONALISM IS A WESTERN IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Parisyann · 04-24-2008, 06:34 AM

Smallpox, man! what a refreshing stance you have. Glad you can bunch here.

chaochao · 04-24-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by smallpox

In all fairness, it's not a "Chinese thing". Westerners were no better when education was lacking and subsequently nationalism was prevailing.

Furthermore;
I think it's pretty funny when people pull out this Nationalist thing that Chinese nationals are different and can't work a western/foreign system of liberalism because it is well...foreign..........NATIONALISM IS A WESTERN IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think why the nationalism is popular now in China is that China has been silent in the world for rather a long time! We all know that in history China is always a great country, its culture and economy and other things had been always the best in the world until late period of Qing Dynasty. From 1841, the great country had to be used to be treated as slave, western countries can send their troops and dominate China's economy and politics as they like, in world war II the Chinese nations experienced massacre. After the foundation of PRC, Chinese people had to meet the opposition by western countries and even Soviet Union. After the reform and open policy in 1978, China has made great achievement, the old great country is rising again. But I think Chinese peopel haven't prepared very well to be the citizen of a powerful country, when our motherland is slandered by western countries, people will remind our suffering history, nationalism appears naturally. Historical hostile sentiment drives peopel to burst out! We want the world to hear our voice!

Although I am Chinese, I should say that our nation has a lot of weaknesses, but when we meet issues violating our motherland, all Chinese people will unite regardless of the difference of political belief.

Parisyann · 04-24-2008, 09:05 AM

When other people are openly criticizing PR China, do you call that an issue violating your motherland, eh?

chaochao · 04-24-2008, 09:45 AM

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When other people are openly criticizing PR China, do you call that an issue violating your motherland, eh?

If the criticism told the truth, even if our gov opposes it, I think there would not be such opposition in Chinese people, I also often visit foreign news websites and read news about China, if the reports were true, I would agree on that, I know our gov has a lot of problems, but you can see that today Chinese around the world are protesting, not just the gov, in fact in China now our gov is trying to relax the nationalism.

Regarding the "violating our motherland", that is caused by the distorted reports by western media, especially German TV, CNN and BBC, they mistaked indian and Nepal police as Chinese army and said our army crackdown monks "peaceful protest"! They cut the photos knowingly to illustrate China slaughter ed Tibetan, all their reports supported the riot. Those are toally lies! The CNN's host even insulted Chinese as thugs! So they irresponsible and hostile attitude stirred all Chinese people, western media is not criticizing, they are slandering and insulting not only our gov but also all Chinese people, I think if I said French people are thugs I think you would also be angry.

Parisyann · 04-24-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chaochao

Regarding the "violating our motherland", that is caused by the distorted reports by western media, especially German TV, CNN and BBC, they mistaked indian and Nepal police as Chinese army and said our army crackdown monks "peaceful protest"! They cut the photos knowingly to illustrate China slaughter ed Tibetan, all their reports supported the riot. Those are toally lies! The CNN's host even insulted Chinese as thugs! So they irresponsible and hostile attitude stirred all Chinese people, western media is not criticizing, they are slandering and insulting not only our gov but also all Chinese people, I think if I said French people are thugs I think you would also be angry.

No, I wouldn't. I'd just keep on doing my business and let others do theirs. You know, even if it was all a bunch of lies, I wouldn't mind other people saying it. There's much truth to be learned from listening to others even when they're lying...

On a side-note, don't you think the western media resorting to publish old time pictures, has something to do with them being banned from Tibet? I personally think it has. And I've not heard any slander and insult about the Chinese in the French media so far; only criticism...