I wonder where's Hun's offspring living now?you meant Mongolian is Huns' offspring?OMG,I have never heard this.and I think Huns and Turkic are different ethnic groups.
it's difficult to make clearly,Middle Asia ethnic also invaded Han's land many times in Jin Dynasty(established after Han dynasty),in North China,the Green eye ethnic group(Middle Asian) even lived in North China for long time.there are many ethnic groups lived in there in ancient China.yeah.it's complicated.
Retumn to the topic,can you tell me where did Hun went after they were beaten by Han in Han Dynasty?
you know,the wars between western Turkic and Eastern Turkic were happened in Sui Dynasty and Tang Dynasty.
between Han Dynasty and Tang Dynasty,there's a long time:so many many hundred years.I really don't understand the realationship between Huns and Turkic.

[quote=Public_Enemy;23451]Mongolia and Siberia was already controlled by Huns. I mean they are the same ppl, same language etc.... The idea of "Huns disappaered and than Turks suddenly emerged" is non-sense...
135BC :QUOTE]

Huns had many wars with Han Chinese. If Huns won the war, they controlled Xinjiang, and vice versa. At that time, people in Xinjiang are not Urghurs. There are many small tribes who cannot be traced now.

After Southern Huns become Han, and Northern Huns moved to Europe. If your smallest toe has another bone (the sixth toe) on your feet, you have Hun's blood. Many people in Hungary and in China has this characteristic.

After the Huns, Xianbei Tribes were the race that controlled Mongolia and Siberia. Xianbei people are fully assimilated into Han, so you cannot find any Xianbei people now.

Then, it came ancient Turkish. Ancient Turkish were relatively peaceful with Han Chinese dynasties. After hundreds of years, Qidans became very strong and defeated ancient Turkish, and thus Qidan replaced Turkish to control Mongolia and Siberia. Turkish moved west to Central Asia and Asia Minor. Qidans were then replaced by Mongolians and Manchurians.

Anyway, Urghurs are not the original residents of Xinjiang. Huns are not the ancestors of Turkish. The fact is that no one knows exactly when ancient Turkish tribes began to exist. When the Huns were dominating Mongolia, Turkish tribes were surbordinate to Huns, together with many other small races. Xianbei, Turkish, Qidan, Mongolia and Manchuria came one after another. They are all different races with no ancestry relations.

Well, it is very complicated indeed. Since all those tribes were nomadic, they could easily mixed with eachother and with locals. So we can't find any pure ethnic based conclusion, we can simply take culture, linguastic and beliefs as a base.. Proto-Turks or Turanian ppl as whole emerged in Siberia (North of Altai mountains) together with fin and ugrian tribes.it is supposed that Huns were the early ones who migrated to south..

Hun went to several directions, major parts to Europe and to Kazakhstan steps.. But European Huns are a different story since they merged with a lot of other turkic or non-turkic tribes till they arrive to Europe..

When they couldn't have a common enemy, Turks fought eachother from the time being
Anyway Relationship between Huns and Turkics is visible on linguastic , beliefs, culture, systems of governance, horse riding style, specially composite bows which is identical for turkics.. Turkish and Hungarian researchers published a lot of proofs about it and most of sources they used are based on chinese records..

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I am really interested in "barbarian" history.

So, you think the Huns came from Central Asia, and how do you think they looked? Do you think they looked like Mongolians?

When they invaded Europe they settled in central Europe (i.e. Hungary). Then we know that they tried to invade France and were defeated by Rome and their barbarian allies. Then they invaded Italy, and if I recall correctly, they were stopped in the middle of their campaign by a plague that decimated their armies.

The thing that perplexes me is that I can't figure out if Huns looked more like Europeans (white folk) or more Oriental.

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Look of those tribes is a very complicated issue.. Those tribes were into plunder and women were the most important trophy. They took them as trophy and made them their wives for giving them children. So When they moved to somewhere else as nomads, their look easily turn similar to locals in a few generation. So if we start from the very begining.. Source of all these tribes is Siberia, and most probably the ppl in sibera weren't look "asian" but northern ppl. For ex. Finnic and Ugrian Tribes never went south and they have no asian features. But Huns migrated to very South and lives for hundreds of years in there, so They should look asian. Than they moved firstly to east of Urals, mixed with local Finnic , Ugrian and Turkic tribes like Fins, Magyars and Bulgars. Than they moved to west of Urals, most probably they mixed with some Caucasian persian tribes than Alans in Europe. Alans is a complicated question. I think they were also mix of a lot of ethnicity like some persian, turkic, but mostly slav etc..
So if you ask European Huns' look, most probably they look very mixed and not exact asian. For.Ex. white skin with asian eye features or vise versa . It reminds me below guy: Yeltsin

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Thanks for your explain.it's very interesting.
I can find much source about the relationship among Western Turkic,Eastern Turkic and Tang Dynasty in history forum.
here is a Chinese version about Western Turkic and Eastern Turkic and Sui Dynasty: Í»Øʺ¹¹úºÍ6¡¢7ÊÀ¼ÍµÄÖж«ÑÇÕþÖÎ̬ÊÆ
I can't sure it's right,one author said Western Turkic and Eastern Turkic were separated in 583 (year).what's the relationship between Western Turkic and Eastern Turkic?

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Thanks for source, I wish I could read Chinese , I am sure there are valuable information in Chinese sources. I think the year 583 or 581 is related with Gok-Turk (Celestial Turks) empire. Wars for the crown between brothers caused separation.
There is a brief story of Gok-Turks in Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks

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