Political Forum

Dear guest,

Welcome to the internet's top destination for the civil discussion of politics. This is a forum for discussion and debate of the issues, and not for personal remarks aimed at other discussants.

This forum has no political affiliation and welcomes your perspective on the issues. Membership is free. If you would like to join the discussions and debates please REGISTER HERE.

All new members should review the forum rules. The "Today's Posts" button automatically adjusts itself to fit your screen on its first use for Firefox and on its second use, for Internet Explorer. Have a pleasant day. (This is a spam free board.)

  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-19-2008, 11:58 PM
Parisyann's Avatar
Parisyann Parisyann is offline
Mercenary
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 383
Location: Visiting, TX.
Country:
Chinese protests, whoa!

Chinese protest Tibet independence and slam France - International Herald Tribune

Chinese urge anti-west boycott over Tibet stance - International Herald Tribune

I thought the Chinese in China had no right to protest. Guess I was wrong. They do have such human right, as long as it's not interfering with the PRC's nationalistic agenda. Whoa, how brave!!!
__________________
"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 01:41 AM
libertarian0507's Avatar
libertarian0507 libertarian0507 is offline
Squire
100 % Infidel
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 191
Location: Sasebo Japan (originally from Seattle,Wa)
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parisyann View Post
Chinese protest Tibet independence and slam France - International Herald Tribune

Chinese urge anti-west boycott over Tibet stance - International Herald Tribune

I thought the Chinese in China had no right to protest. Guess I was wrong. They do have such human right, as long as it's not interfering with the PRC's nationalistic agenda. Whoa, how brave!!!
Yes it would seem that the right to protest is alive in China, as long as you are protesting WITH the government , and not against it. When Chinese protest against China`s treatment of Tibet, i am sure it would end with dead civilians.
__________________
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 02:18 AM
zgr zgr is offline
Conscript
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 17
first,i wanna say i'm sorry.Maybe chinese really do something over.But please stand at a chinese view,the French people also did something hurt our feelings.
We should try to understand each other.You love your country,and i love my country.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 02:27 AM
libertarian0507's Avatar
libertarian0507 libertarian0507 is offline
Squire
100 % Infidel
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 191
Location: Sasebo Japan (originally from Seattle,Wa)
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by zgr View Post
first,i wanna say i'm sorry.Maybe chinese really do something over.But please stand at a chinese view,the French people also did something hurt our feelings.
We should try to understand each other.You love your country,and i love my country.
I think I understand the Chinese point of view, but I still disagree.
The French were simply making a point that China`s treatment of Tibet is not acceptable.
__________________
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 02:49 AM
zgr zgr is offline
Conscript
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 17
i don't want to argue with you
i just wanna ask you if a part of your country wanna be free will you support it???
When i saw many french peole join some Tibetian to support free Tibet,i just wanna say this is Chinese own thing,do you wanna strangers join your family thing and even they know nothing about your family??The French government support to free Tibet in pubilc if you are a chinese what will you think about this??
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 03:18 AM
libertarian0507's Avatar
libertarian0507 libertarian0507 is offline
Squire
100 % Infidel
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 191
Location: Sasebo Japan (originally from Seattle,Wa)
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by zgr View Post
i don't want to argue with you
i just wanna ask you if a part of your country wanna be free will you support it???
When i saw many french peole join some Tibetian to support free Tibet,i just wanna say this is Chinese own thing,do you wanna strangers join your family thing and even they know nothing about your family??The French government support to free Tibet in pubilc if you are a chinese what will you think about this??
I would agree if the premise of Tibet being a part of China were true, but it`s not. It is understandable that you wish others to see the issue from China`s point of view, but I think you fail to see the issue from Tibet`s point of view.
Tibetans do not see themselves as Chinese, and rightly so. Tibet was a sovreign nation until China invaded. China says others should not meddle in internal affairs of China, yet they send amrs to Africa at a time of electional dispute, and ignore the fact that Tibet is not China. Until China admits they were wrong about Tibet and make it right with the Tibetans, the free world will protest China`s abhorrent actions.
__________________
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 03:35 AM
Parisyann's Avatar
Parisyann Parisyann is offline
Mercenary
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 383
Location: Visiting, TX.
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by zgr View Post
i don't want to argue with you
i just wanna ask you if a part of your country wanna be free will you support it???
When i saw many french peole join some Tibetian to support free Tibet,i just wanna say this is Chinese own thing,do you wanna strangers join your family thing and even they know nothing about your family??The French government support to free Tibet in pubilc if you are a chinese what will you think about this??
Well if my neighbour is beating his wife & kids in his own house, even if I'm no part of his family, I make it my concern and I call the cops. Why? Because I'm a human being thus human rights are my biggest concerns.

BTW the French government doesn't support the Free Tibet movement. It just wants to make clear that the way China is dealing with Tibet is not acceptable. We are a democracy here, thus our government cares about people first. I really wish China would care more about human beings too.
__________________
"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 03:44 AM
zgr zgr is offline
Conscript
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 17
You think Tibet is not a part of China??
Tibit is a part of China hundred years!Please learn more Chinese history.Hawaii was not a part of US,even the mainland is Indians.One day,they wanna free will you still say OK They wanna be free so be free!I don't care about it. Would you say that???!!!We send army to Africa??Did the chinese army invade the Africa???
We send a lot of people to Africa is to help them,you know?? We help them to bulid bridge ,give them medicial chen etc.
I can't say the Chinese government are always right,but US goverment can't be
why us send army to Iraq???Just for the peace of Iraq??or for oil????We send people to Africa to help them build bridge medicil check,we even give them a secondary planet last year! Do you know that?? I can't say CCP is always right,of course, CCP has mang shortage,but they just get into power 49years!Chinese government is like a young person.We may make some mistakes but we still make progress!Besides,there is no battue in Tibet.You just heard a little Tibetians'voice. You know in Tibet many family hang national flags out of their house to support the government.I think they can represent the most Tibetian!
sorry for my poor English.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 03:54 AM
zgr zgr is offline
Conscript
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parisyann View Post
Well if my neighbour is beating his wife & kids in his own house, even if I'm no part of his family, I make it my concern and I call the cops. Why? Because I'm a human being thus human rights are my biggest concerns.

BTW the French government doesn't support the Free Tibet movement. It just wants to make clear that the way China is dealing with Tibet is not acceptable. We are a democracy here, thus our government cares about people first. I really wish China would care more about human beings too.
you are right.not only you will to do so,every chinese also to do so!But how you know we kill Tibetian???From those who wanna free Tibet??or from your country media????When the tourch came to Paris,the french police saw a chinese student attaks by a bad Tibetian,and then they actually do nothing!!!
I think your country media wouldn't tell you this!The Paris government say if tourch come here,we will have banner to say we don't welcome it!!If you are a chinese,will you still think French are friendly to Chinese?????
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 04-20-2008, 04:14 AM
libertarian0507's Avatar
libertarian0507 libertarian0507 is offline
Squire
100 % Infidel
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 191
Location: Sasebo Japan (originally from Seattle,Wa)
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by zgr View Post
You think Tibet is not a part of China??
Tibit is a part of China hundred years!Please learn more Chinese history.Hawaii was not a part of US,even the mainland is Indians.One day,they wanna free will you still say OK They wanna be free so be free!I don't care about it. Would you say that???!!!We send army to Africa??Did the chinese army invade the Africa???
We send a lot of people to Africa is to help them,you know?? We help them to bulid bridge ,give them medicial chen etc.
I can't say the Chinese government are always right,but US goverment can't be
why us send army to Iraq???Just for the peace of Iraq??or for oil????We send people to Africa to help them build bridge medicil check,we even give them a secondary planet last year! Do you know that?? I can't say CCP is always right,of course, CCP has mang shortage,but they just get into power 49years!Chinese government is like a young person.We may make some mistakes but we still make progress!Besides,there is no battue in Tibet.You just heard a little Tibetians'voice. You know in Tibet many family hang national flags out of their house to support the government.I think they can represent the most Tibetian!
sorry for my poor English.
Tibet is not China. Simply because China have been forcing themselves and their suzerainty on the Tibetans does not make their claim legitimate. Yes, if Hawaii wanted to be free from the Union, I would agree, because they were a different entity to begin with. (you would also have to get around the little constitutional thing that disallows states to leave the Union though) Putting up irrelevant and completely unlikely hypotheticals does not make your point. What are your reasons for forcing Chinese culture on a different one, and forcing the Tibetans to obey the Chinese?? Yes, we heard the Tibetans voice, and in a Democracy, the voice of the people matters,unlike China, even though its name is ironically "The People`s republic." Apparently by peoples they mean the party in control, and not the lowly regular people who inhabit the land.
__________________
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:40 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
A vBSkinworks Design
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=

right