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Yes, France is like anywhere else: There are clever people as well as dummies.
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French senator Jean-Luc Melenchon has pledged his support for China Olympics and reveals the truth about Tibet.
Although I could clearly hear Melenchon pledging his support for China Olympics, I've failed to see what truth about Tibet he's revealed.
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Why do western governments and NGOs apply double standards when it comes to human rights? Silence on Guatanamo Bay, former colonies, ...
Melenchon is not far from saying it's all a neo-con conspiracy. He even says Reporters Without Borders are working for Bush. Do you agree with him?
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Many NGOs championing Tibetan independence and return of Dalai Lama are toeing the line of American neo-cons.
Never mind.
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Kosovo was not meant to declare independence but ended up as a US base ... why?
Would you rather have left the people of Kossovo's fate in the hands of their loathed enemy? I personally am thankful the US have helped us to stabilize the Balkans: Things would be much worst without US support.
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Do they really want to support a return to theocracy in Tibet? A secular and efficient government should be replaced by a less democratic religious one? Come on, what's the agenda?
There is no agenda I know of, only the common sense that all people have a right to be free regardless of their religious beliefs and forms of government. Do you think the lives of Tibetans are worthless because they don't meet your own criteria?
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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.
There is no agenda I know of, only the common sense that all people have a right to be free regardless of their religious beliefs and forms of government. Do you think the lives of Tibetans are worthless because they don't meet your own criteria?
Isn't this a bit rich coming from someone who supports meddling another country's internal affair under the cover of human rights?
And since when are people living under serfdom and theocracy free?
I know you don't have an agenda, but some governments certainly do. My question is whether theocratic government could be more democratic. There are areas that can be improved but the current situation isn't as bad as misinformation would have you believe.
What's your criteria?
Read Paul Dubrule a chance to see a different Tibet from what he had learnt in France after a three month riding trip.
It totally changed what he has read about the repression of Tibetans. Though their life was not as good as in France but they were benefiting from the economic development. Most Tibetans are happy. Only former lamas and lords who lost their wealth and power aren't.
I beg to differ on Kosovo - US is destablizing Europe by trying to contain Russia, and in other parts of the world as well. The Cold War is over.
Reporters Without Borders
"The events that unfolded at the lighting of the Olympic flame March 24 in Greece were most revealing. A protest briefly disrupted the ceremonies. The news reports all said that the protest was about Tibet.
Three protesters were arrested, but then immediately released. None were Tibetan.
The three French men, it turns out, are all from a notorious right-wing organization that’s funded by the governments of France and the United States as well as some of the richest capitalists in the world. They all are employees of the outfit called Reporters Without Borders.
Based in France, the group gets funding from the U.S. government’s National Endowment for Democracy as well as the Soros Foundation and the Center for a Free Cuba. U.S. State Department Special Envoy Otto Reich is a trustee of the Center. He was also the lawyer for the Bacardi liquor dynasty that was kicked out of Cuba, along with the hated dictator Fulgencio Batista. The president of the Center is Frank Calzón, a former leader of the terrorist organization Cuban American National Foundation.
“Reporters Without Borders Unmasked” is the title of a report by Diana Barahona on Counterpunch.org. RWB has an “obsession” with Cuba, which Barahona says can be directly traced to its funding. What may not be obvious is that the Center for a Free Cuba is a front organization for U.S. covert operations against Cuba. It is completely funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development, an agency that has long fronted for U.S. covert operations.
RWB does not just target Cuba, though Cuba has been its primary target for many years—the Cuban press generally refers to RWB as an ultra-reactionary organization with ties to counterrevolutionary terrorists. At the time of the U.S. contra war against the Sandinista government, the RWB carried on operations against Nicaragua.
Today it also has operations targeting Venezuela, Bolivia, Iran, People’s Korea, and the Palestinians, according to a report by French journalist Salim Lamrani. (“The deceit of Reporters Without Borders,” ZNet.com)
RWB was merely fulfilling its contract with the U.S. government when it carried out the little disruption of the Olympic Games opening ceremony. It got maximum publicity in the compliant U.S. media for its anti-China message.
NED: CIA of the 21st century
The shadowy hand of the National Endowment for Democracy can be found in many of the anti-China reports over the last few weeks.
The NED is a U.S. government agency that does in the post-Cold War era much of what the CIA had been doing during the U.S. counter-revolutionary operations against the Soviet Union. In fact, that’s almost exactly how its role was described by the NED’s first acting president, Allen Weinstein, who said, “A lot of what we [the NED] do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.” (Washington Post, Sept. 22, 1991)
In the U.S., little is known about the NED except for its public relations handouts. The big business-controlled press usually just repeats what’s in those handouts.
Australian writer Michael Barker, in a report last Aug. 13 published by Canada-based Global Research, detailed at that time the rise of groups aimed at breaking Tibet away from China, all of which were NED-funded.
The International Campaign for Tibet, for example, not only is funded by the NED but also has a board of directors that includes several former assistant secretaries of the U.S. State Department and former U.S. AID officials.
The Tibet Fund is another NED payee, as is the Tibet Information Network and the Tibetan Literary Society, Barker reports. Also getting funds from the NED is the Tibetan Review Trust Society, which publishes the English-only Tibetan Review magazine. Finally, Barker says, the NED also set up the Voice of Tibet short-wave radio station.
About 38 percent of the U.S. government’s nonmilitary China-related programs are allocated through the NED. According to the NED’s Web site, other recipients of its China funds include the Gu-Chu-Sum Movement of Tibet, the Tibetan Women’s Association and the Longsho Youth Movement of Tibet."
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Behind the anti-China Olympics campaign
By Gary Wilson
I know you don't have an agenda, but some governments certainly do. My question is whether theocratic government could be more democratic. There are areas that can be improved but the current situation isn't as bad as misinformation would have you believe.
What's your criteria?
Read Paul Dubrule a chance to see a different Tibet from what he had learnt in France after a three month riding trip.
It totally changed what he has read about the repression of Tibetans. Though their life was not as good as in France but they were benefiting from the economic development. Most Tibetans are happy. Only former lamas and lords who lost their wealth and power aren't.
I beg to differ on Kosovo - US is destablizing Europe by trying to contain Russia, and in other parts of the world as well. The Cold War is over.
Reporters Without Borders
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Behind the anti-China Olympics campaign
By Gary Wilson
Thanks again for your reply is very instructive... I've failed to find official informations about the author of your book/article, Gary Wilson, but since he's pleading against the right-wing I suppose he's advocating the opposite stance which would be the same as Melenchon who's leaning far-left... I dunno I just don't buy into the evil-US thing I guess there's much more to learn if I keep my head cool... Yes, the US rule, and we both have the right to share different opinions regarding whether this is good news or not... Isn't it neat?
Obviously we can't just ask anyone to promise us not to mess with people and just wait to see. There must be some kinda media check so everyone can know what's going on else where and justice can prevail. IMHO The capitalist way is much better in this regard than its communist counterpart if you wanna know.
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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.
I have no problem with any people living under their own chosen government. Why do you?
So what are all these accusations of human rights abuses about? The current Chinese government, sick and authoritarian as it is, does enjoy broad-based support. Broader now, in fact, due to all these hypocritical criticisms.
I personally always justify our claim on historical basis rather than any humanitarian ground. it's just ppl shouldn't mince words when describing old Tibet. White washing serfdom and theocracy is so lame.
IMHO The capitalist way is much better in this regard than its communist counterpart if you wanna know.
Funny, most ppl would argue that China's more capitalistic than France And the city that I live in is often called "the last fortress of capitalism". And no, I'm not arguing we're necessarily better, just more capitalistic.
As for NED's support of RSF and many other pro-Tibet parties (I won't call them NGOs, any party that's funded by NED automatically loses its credibility in my eyes), you can find out from their website. When the scandal of RSF's funding broke, Robert Ménard threatened to sue the reporter that broke the news. And I thought him a staunch supporter of press freedom.
Who is calling for theocracy and serfdom for Tibet?
Having a religious leader as the head of government is by definition a theocracy. Please consult the exiles constitution for details. Yes, there's a parliament, but listen to what they have to say at the end of the clip.
Serfdom, perhaps there's better luck. But theocracy is the exiles goal, make no mistake.
Funny, most ppl would argue that China's more capitalistic than France And the city that I live in is often called "the last fortress of capitalism". And no, I'm not arguing we're necessarily better, just more capitalistic.
Bwhahaha. That's why peasants still have to "borrow" the land from their government and can't technically own it.
It's funny how because Tibet use to have bad governance that would somehow justify Chinese presence there. Seems to me Germany was ruled by Warlords until the 1800's, are their culture so static that democracy hasn't prevailed in Germany?