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Old 04-21-2008, 10:10 PM
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Yes, it wasn't widely reported, but I think that's because it wasn't really an "attack", just one of many scuffles as protestors tried to seize or extinguish the torch. The only thing that made Jin Jing different from, say, Konnie Huq, was that Jin Jing is disabled. It looks like Jin Jing is now being made use of for propaganda purposes - "look at those evil pro-Tibeters, they attack disabled people!" (Not that I have a particular problem with that - any Western government would be delighted to use the same kind of propaganda...) So now Chinese people think that French people are anti-China? The propagandists of both sides, "pro-Tibet" and "pro-China" should feel happy with a job well done.

There's no comparison with "tank man". "Tank man" was risking death, or, at the very least, imprisonment. Jin Jing was risking a few scratches.
It wasn't an attack? That shows how hypocrite you guys are. If these were attack on westerners, you probably make a big issue about it. When it is chinese girl being harrased, you say its just a scuffle and some scratches? Do not use double standards onto other people while ignoring your own human rights problems as well. Whether it is a protibet or pro china it doesnt matter. The fire has started. It is up to you bunch of westerners to decide whether to dose the flame bigger and burn everyone in it or to cool matter down and let it dose off. We Chinese are not afraid of you westerners as your backside has even more shit to be clean up. let the shit slingging begins!
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:25 PM
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Well if my neighbour is beating his wife & kids in his own house, even if I'm no part of his family, I make it my concern and I call the cops. Why? Because I'm a human being thus human rights are my biggest concerns.

BTW the French government doesn't support the Free Tibet movement. It just wants to make clear that the way China is dealing with Tibet is not acceptable. We are a democracy here, thus our government cares about people first. I really wish China would care more about human beings too.
This is an act of irresponsibility. How could you connect between your neighbour beating the wife and kids to problems in Tibet? Were you at tibet witnessing the beatings of tibetans by Han Chinese? If you have documented it, I would protest with you as well but this is clearly not the case. You french, americans, brits and other westerners conducting the same crime are sluring abuses based on your hatred and jealousy towards the chinese. The Tibetan Mobs are clearly guilty of vandalising, beating and killing of Chinese Han that are well recorded and documented with videos. You guys even protected these thugs and justify their crime. You are as criminal as they are! Shame on you westerners. Are you going to do nothing and clap your bloody hands when you see someone, even strangers being beaten up or even killed just because of their different ethnicity? No? This is clearly what you guys are doing at the moment!

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Old 04-21-2008, 10:50 PM
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I feel like china has made a strong effort to be accepted by the world but the world constantly nags for more. making everything to do with china into a farce and never living up to the ideals they wish china to live up to. but such is the way the world works.

nevermind that the us is in the same situation as china. nevermind that britain and france are also. the only thing is we need tibet to govern itself for us to put our military presence. (off the subject)

many people are protesting the torch for tibet but never protest the super bowl for iraq or the world series for guantanimo bay. its all fishy to me.

toys from china. the dalai lamas medal. strategy is all. whatever we can do to fuel the anti chinese sentiment.

I feel bad for the chinese who've had their great honor spit upon by the world. im somewhat ashamed to be in san francisco. protest anything that catches their eye. mindless nonsense sometimes.

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Old 04-21-2008, 11:16 PM
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I feel like china has made a strong effort to be accepted by the world but the world constantly nags for more. making everything to do with china into a farce and never living up to the ideals they wish china to live up to. but such is the way the world works.

nevermind that the us is in the same situation as china. nevermind that britain and france are also. the only thing is we need tibet to govern itself for us to put our military presence. (off the subject)

many people are protesting the torch for tibet but never protest the super bowl for iraq or the world series for guantanimo bay. its all fishy to me.

toys from china. the dalai lamas medal. strategy is all. whatever we can do to fuel the anti chinese sentiment.

I feel bad for the chinese who've had their great honor spit upon by the world. im somewhat ashamed to be in san francisco. protest anything that catches their eye. mindless nonsense sometimes.

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I think why the Chinese are outraged was the adverse reaction to the Lhasa incident. The Western Media sympatized with the Tibetan protestors who burned, looted and killed in Lhasa. It is like if 9/11 happened in the US and China shared the same stance like Iran, which asked if 9/11 happened at all.

Obviously, someone out there are pulling the strings on the US propaganda in this issue. That's where Radio Free Asia comes in. Here's a DailyKos article on it. I'm not taking sides on the Chinese Propaganda issue, but just want to point out the kind of slander.

Daily Kos: State of the Nation
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Old 04-21-2008, 11:19 PM
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I feel like china has made a strong effort to be accepted by the world but the world constantly nags for more. making everything to do with china into a farce and never living up to the ideals they wish china to live up to. but such is the way the world works.
nevermind that the us is in the same situation as china. nevermind that britain and france are also. the only thing is we need tibet to govern itself for us to put our military presence. (off the subject)
many people are protesting the torch for tibet but never protest the super bowl for iraq or the world series for guantanimo bay. its all fishy to me.
toys from china. the dalai lamas medal. strategy is all. whatever we can do to fuel the anti chinese sentiment.
I feel bad for the chinese who've had their great honor spit upon by the world. im somewhat ashamed to be in san francisco. protest anything that catches their eye. mindless nonsense sometimes.
These are the most sensible and insightful remarks I have ever heard in this forum.
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Old 04-22-2008, 03:52 AM
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First thank you all for your comments are well appreciated. My original post was in reaction to the newly French-bashing in Chinese media (right after the German-bashing, the American-bashing, etc.) and it was a bit sacarstic. Somehow some posters on this thread believe I’m advocating for the independence of Tibet then are just uttering their own nationalistic propaganda while clearly I’m not. I’m not even in favor of boycotting the Olympics if one reads carefully. PR China’s human rights issue with the Olympics and its double digit growth (don’t be ashamed of linking those three facts together) are rather baffling to me though.

I acknowledge some steps were made in regards to human rights and freedom of speech but the recent banning of foreign media from Tibet was certainly not one of them. If PR China wants to act as one of the leaders of the free world regardless of democratical issues it better allows others to make their own subjective comments. What I’m advocating clearly here is for the right of Chinese to protest all they want (even when it’s against the so-called wild wild west) and for the right of foreign media to cover it as well as they would in other parts of the free world savvy.
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:09 AM
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This is an act of irresponsibility. How could you connect between your neighbour beating the wife and kids to problems in Tibet? Were you at tibet witnessing the beatings of tibetans by Han Chinese? If you have documented it, I would protest with you as well but this is clearly not the case. You french, americans, brits and other westerners conducting the same crime are sluring abuses based on your hatred and jealousy towards the chinese. The Tibetan Mobs are clearly guilty of vandalising, beating and killing of Chinese Han that are well recorded and documented with videos. You guys even protected these thugs and justify their crime. You are as criminal as they are! Shame on you westerners. Are you going to do nothing and clap your bloody hands when you see someone, even strangers being beaten up or even killed just because of their different ethnicity? No? This is clearly what you guys are doing at the moment!
If you think my comment is an act of irresponsibility then I think yours is one of foolishness. Mine was a response to another by zgr who made his/her own connections:

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i don't want to argue with you i just wanna ask you if a part of your country wanna be free will you support it??? When i saw many french peole join some Tibetian to support free Tibet,i just wanna say this is Chinese own thing,do you wanna strangers join your family thing and even they know nothing about your family??The French government support to free Tibet in pubilc if you are a chinese what will you think about this??
BTW I saw the riots in Tibet and I'm not condoning 'em nor is the western media. Where did you get such a far-fetched idea?
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:35 AM
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Pleaze! The protests in London and SF were intense as well. Why do u think only the French are taking the brunt of our anger?
I don't think only the French are taking the brunt of your anger. Who told you so?

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The chaos in Paris perhaps was due only to police incompetence. But the stance of Paris City Council and her mayor led the average Chinese on the street to believe that the protests in Paris had tacit support from the French Government.
The average Chineses on the street should stop believing everything they're told and try some other sources. Why not foreign media to see what we really think of China and not unofficial gossips?

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The attack on Jin Jing was not reported widely in the West. If you have seen the picture, you'll realize the image is as powerful as the Tiananmen Tank man.
Wow so now you link Jin Jing to the Tiananmen Tank man thus Tibetans protesters in Paris to tanks 'emselves! Wow that's a new one from the propaganda against the Dalai Clique I guess!

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It leaves an unforgettable impression among the Chinese people that France=pro-separatists=anti-China. If this is a message you want to convey, congratulations! You've been more than successful.
Again: Where did you get such a far-fetched idea?


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FREE CORSICA... at least Corsicans used to be better rulers of France. (in a stupid way, but heh ?) Happy now? +Note+ I 've no problem with Corsica being part of France. At least their dried meat is better than the German one. +End of note+
Then I guess you're pulling for FREE CORSICA because you think I'm pulling for FREE TIBET and it may hurt my feelings. Where did you get such far-fetched ideas?
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Note to Martin: I didn't quite get your joke about German dried meat but it sounded as if, since you can't obviously resort to personal attacks on this fair web site, you were trying to make racial or ethnical ones...
Hail to the motherland my friend right?!
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Sarkozy sent a letter of apology to a disabled Chinese athlete Jin Jing : "The incidents that were brought about by a few people on this sad day don't reflect the feelings of my fellow countrymen for the Chinese people..."
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