Chinese protests, whoa! - Page 4 - Political Forum

libertarian0507 · #31 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by zgr

western media is more independent??????Big joke!!!!!how you know they are independent???????????????

Umm, because they are. The press in the US is independent. They can report what they want, its not like China where the media is state-controlled.

libertarian0507 · #32 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zgr

I think you would agree what he said just his own opinion.right?but you know as media the first rule is fair,and don't put his own feelings on public.Don't tell me you don't agree the rule

The whole point of a debate show is to argue ones opinions. This has nothing to do with fairness, except that everyone tries to get their words in edge-wise.

zgr · #33 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

Umm, because they are. The press in the US is independent. They can report what they want, its not like China where the media is state-controlled.

oh really??!!so US media never told you we should love our country???They told you the true reason of Iraq War is oil.They tell you US start war just wanna got something didn't belongs you?my country has a different system with US.But I know in our media we can hear some criticism to some offical！
We have differnt cultures and the way of thinking.But I know we are human beings,we have the same moral base line!
I really think you talk about chinese government with prejudice.

libertarian0507 · #34 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by zgr

oh really??!!so US media never told you we should love our country???They told you the true reason of Iraq War is oil.They tell you US start war just wanna got something didn't belongs you?my country has a different system with US.But I know in our media we can hear some criticism to some offical！
We have differnt cultures and the way of thinking.But I know we are human beings,we have the same moral base line!
I really think you talk about chinese government with prejudice.

China violates human rights.That is a fact. They do not have a free media or freedom of speech, that is a fact. it has nothing to do with any prejudice.

cindy6 · #35 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Parisyann

But if the PRC is viewing French as enemies because we dare to open our mouths about human rights, then it becomes the PRC's problem ~ freedom of speech.

Pleaze! The protests in London and SF were intense as well. Why do u think only the French are taking the brunt of our anger?

The chaos in Paris perhaps was due only to police incompetence. But the stance of Paris City Council and her mayor led the average Chinese on the street to believe that the protests in Paris had tacit support from the French Government.

The attack on Jin Jing was not reported widely in the West. If you have seen the picture, you'll realize the image is as powerful as the Tiananmen Tank man. It leaves an unforgettable impression among the Chinese people that France=pro-separatists=anti-China.

If this is a message you want to convey, congratulations! You've been more than successful.

Martin · #36 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 08:45 AM

FREE CORSICA... at least Corsicans used to be better rulers of France. (in a stupid way, but heh ?)

Happy now?
+Note+ I 've no problem with Corsica being part of France. At least their dried meat is better than the German one. +End of note+

Martin · #37 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cindy6

Pleaze! The protests in London and SF were intense as well. Why do u think only the French are taking the brunt of our anger?

The chaos in Paris perhaps was due only to police incompetence. But the stance of Paris City Council and her mayor led the average Chinese on the street to believe that the protests in Paris had tacit support from the French Government.

The attack on Jin Jing was not reported widely in the West. If you have seen the picture, you'll realize the image is as powerful as the Tiananmen Tank man. It leaves an unforgettable impression among the Chinese people that France=pro-separatists=anti-China.

If this is a message you want to convey, congratulations! You've been more than successful.

And I also don't like that the Chinese disabled athete was attacked by Parisian scum... So far for the nice and aware people on their high horses. DUH!

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@ Cindy;
The attack on Jin Jing was not reported widely in the West. If you have seen the picture, you'll realize the image is as powerful as the Tiananmen Tank man. It leaves an unforgettable impression among the Chinese people that France=pro-separatists=anti-China.

If this is a message you want to convey, congratulations! You've been more than successful.

I guess I missed that one before. Spot on.

chaochao · #38 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 10:14 AM

As libertarian0507's words, there will be more than 10,000 countries appear on the earth. Maybe someday I can declare that I want independence and my territory is my house and garden, I am the president of my country, there will be a fantastic feeling i think. If China doesn't allow that, I think I can move to US and become US citizen because US is democracy so US can allow its citizens to do that if they want. A really good way, OK, libertarian0507，when I establish my country in US, I will invite you to have a dinner in my presidential house. If US doesn't allow me to do that, I hope you can help me to protest that US impinges my human right and freedom. I think you will be sure to help me. thank you in advance.

GoChina · #39 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

I did not insult the Chinese. Although I will continue to insult the totalitarian government that rules China. The Dalai Lama has no intent to have slaves. He has always supported human rights. So Tibet is China`s toilet?? Why do you insult the Tibetans like that? You obviously don`t have any sense of what human rights are. YOU DID invade Tibet. They had sovereignty before China decided to invade for no reason. Iraq for 1 has nothing to do with this debate, and 2 yes, that is our democracy, that since we made a mistake by invading Iraq ( and we were attacked, we just did not handle the response right) and come November the presidency most likely will not be in the hands of the Republicans who made that mistake . So yes, this is our democracy that we can change when we go in the wrong direction. China has only one party, they cannot do this. BTW, Americans love Peace, but that doesn`t mean that we can always avoid war. We did not ask for September 11,2001. We did nothing to deserve that. Yet, 3,000 innocent civilians died that day we had to do something. Bush has screwed up, and that is why his party will lose next. All that is off topic though, you still haven`t given a reason why Tibet should be treated by China that way, except to call Tibet China`s "toilet" That statement was despicable.

"The Dalai Lama has no intent to have slaves"? he gave Nobel Peace Prize judges ornaments made by human skins and bones as gifts.

"Why do you insult the Tibetans like that"? Like what? ordinary Tibetans are still hanging portraits of Mao Zedong in there house even today. Why? I am quite confused, explain this to me ok?

"YOU DID invade Tibet"? When? 1951? If you think so, idiot would be a very suitable word for you. From 5th to 13th Dalai Lama, the lamas all went down on their TWO knees when they met the emperors of the central government of China ( then Qing Dynasty). you know what this means? means the relationship between them is monarch and his subjects.

"We did nothing to deserve that"? the 18 innocent people killed by the mobsters desearve that?

LostInTranslation · #40 (**permalink**) 04-20-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

Yes it would seem that the right to protest is alive in China, as long as you are protesting WITH the government , and not against it.

Wrong statement. I have given plenty of examples, including videos, showing that Chinese people protested AGAINST the government's decision, which were allowed, and upheld. Many of these protests resulted in change of the government's policy regarding various issues.

On the other hand, I do think it is great to have the rights to protest in democratic countries without the need to worry about the consequence. The problem is, "THERE IS OFTEN NO CONSEQUENCE".

I have seen plenty of protests asking the U.S. to ratify the Kyoto protocol and retreat from Iraq. Yes, their voices were heard, but how good is it if they were not listened to? As far as I can tell, the U.S. is still one of the only few developed countries that still haven't ratified the Kyoto protocol, and we all know about the story in Iraq, don't we?