Originally Posted by chaochao

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I am not a blind patriot, I can see the bad things along with the good things. We can discuss and criticize our gov and CCP on internet, in our local forum we talk about it everyday, I can surely told you, if there is a election voted by all Chinese, CCP will still be supported!

Originally Posted by gaile

Yes, it may be so in 1949, but not in 1958, 1966, and/or 2008. The bad thing about CCP is once it started to rule China, Chinese people can not get rid of it anymore, in a nonviolent way.

Don't forget, CCP promised freedom and democracy to Chinese people in 1949, and that is one big reason that it won the civil war in 1949. But it cheated, what it imposed to Chinese people was and is autocracy (even more so that its predecessor--KMT), hunger, tens of millions of death of innocents, destruction of Chinese traditional culture, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by gaile

I doubt it. In China, there is still no freedom of speech, and most people are still biased by prejudged information. How CCP has been ruling China all the time? By lying and by armed force. If there is free speech, most people will see the truth, and know what CCP did and is doing. They will abandon it. Actually many average people have been angry with CCP for a long time, in villages, towns, cities. That is why CCP is so afraid of free speech, and that is why it arrested HU Jia, a peaceful protester in his own home.

Originally Posted by libertarian0507

You live in Austrailia,right? So do you believe in the principle of democracy?
The majority of Tibetans seem to desire independence, so what would be wrong with allowing them thier independence? Tibet is not just a province of China, it has a completely different culture, language, customs etc than China and is a different country. The CIA handbook's classification of Tibet as part of China is only a technicality, and the reasons for it would most likely be political and diplomatic in nature. Just because China has at different times in history tried to force their suzeranity on such nations as Tibet, Korea and Vietnam does not give ligitimacy to your claim of Tibet's status as a mere province of China. If it was always a province of China, then why did the Communists have to march in and invade ? Surely there is no need to invade and subdue the population and government of your own province,right? China has no legitimate right to Tibet other than their own imperialistic (how ironic is that) ambitions.

Originally Posted by gaile

All that you said is true, and unfortunately very few young Chinese students can appreciate it. They were educated with a different system of language and philosophy. What they think natural and unquestionable may be just absurd to the free world. This is not because they are bad or something, just because they were educated in that way. The Chinese propaganda department successfully shaped their ways of thinking and even their emotions in that way. It is hard for a person to change one's political belief, as is to change one's religious belief. Often a free debate does not help.

Originally Posted by chaochao

In your eyes we are always suffering from the ruling of CCP, CCP is always evil! And you all think chinese people hate CCP and have the desire to cast down it! There is also portion of western distorted reports and lies, but the more westerners think like that and lie and slander, the more all chinese support CCP no matter what philosophy they believe in.

Originally Posted by gaile

I am not saying all Chinese people hate CCP, apparently you don't. Naturally the corrupt government officials and their families who profit from CCP's ruling don't either. Under CCP's ruling, the officials at the high positions can easily get rich by receiving brides, with little chance of getting punished. For these guys, they are happy with CCP of course, but definitely not those whose houses are destructed without proper reimbursement, not the helpless farmers losing their lands, not the poor people who can't pay their education and medial expense.

Originally Posted by chaochao

of course a free debate doesn't help, but western media and their reports really do help! Our students, both home and abroad have learnt a lot from their distortion and lies! thanks for western media, they have lectured a whole generation of chinese young people especially the students, now all students support our gov unprecedently, that should thank the western media.
If the western media distortion is not enough, i suggest alleged democratic western countries should better send troops to introduce their democracy directly just like they are doing in Iraq without more ado, I think hospitable chinese people would treat them very well just like we did in Korea and Vietnam before.

Originally Posted by gaile

You are young and have been biased by Chinese propaganda since your birth. I can only sympathize you. One day you'll realize how naive and stupid you were, and recognize the value of democracy. You may be ashamed on what you are said today. Read more historical books about China and the world, and think over about it; Read books by wise authors either from China or western countries, and you may eventually think. Confucius bless you!

Originally Posted by gaile

I doubt it. In China, there is still no freedom of speech, and most people are still biased by prejudged information. How CCP has been ruling China all the time? By lying and by armed force. If there is free speech, most people will see the truth, and know what CCP did and is doing. They will abandon it. Actually many average people have been angry with CCP for a long time, in villages, towns, cities. That is why CCP is so afraid of free speech, and that is why it arrested HU Jia, a peaceful protester in his own home.