You mean that uncited Italian text I understand little?
Wow..... It's in Italian it must be valid.

Don't ask me, Cole says the CIA is involved and immediately after cites sources. I expected that the links would have relevance to the outrageous claim, obviously I was expecting too much.
A citation from China Daily and then text in Italian, not helping his cause too much.

"Dalai worked with Beijing for 10 years without any drama till he was led astray by CIA and deviant lamas."

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You live in Austrailia,right? So do you believe in the principle of democracy?
The majority of Tibetans seem to desire independence, so what would be wrong with allowing them thier independence? Tibet is not just a province of China, it has a completely different culture, language, customs etc than China and is a different country. The CIA handbook's classification of Tibet as part of China is only a technicality, and the reasons for it would most likely be political and diplomatic in nature. Just because China has at different times in history tried to force their suzeranity on such nations as Tibet, Korea and Vietnam does not give ligitimacy to your claim of Tibet's status as a mere province of China. If it was always a province of China, then why did the Communists have to march in and invade ? Surely there is no need to invade and subdue the population and government of your own province,right? China has no legitimate right to Tibet other than their own imperialistic (how ironic is that) ambitions.

I think that part of the problem is that we're really no idea what the majority of Tibetans desire.

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Nope. This is what I meant. Please read the part after "The point I tried to raise here is:" It's in English, and I hope you can understand it.

Having fun beating up the Strawman you set up? I never said or implied that "if it's in Italian, it must be valid." Anything in the media could be invalid. We have seen plenty of such examples from the all-so-fair-and-objective-and-mighty CNN and co. All I was trying to say is that if it's invalid, go after the source (Il Corriere Della Sera), and prove it was wrong. Of course, it's much easier to beat up a dead horse (China Daily), but it doesn't help much with your argument.

Funny! Have you ever read the source he cited? Yup, Cole said the CIA was involved and immediately after cited sources. And this is the source he cited immediately after:

Tibet Myth & Reality « In Pursuit of Happiness

First of all, it was not from China Daily; secondly, it was not in Italian.

What outrageous claim were you referring to here? That CIA was involved in Tibetan Guerrilla wars until the normalization of Sino-US relations? It was in the above article cited. You may also google "CIA in Tibet", where you can find plenty of youtube videos backing up this claim. These are interviews with former CIA agents and exile Tibetans. It has nothing to do with China Daily or Italians.

Or were you referring to the claim that "TYC is planning suicide attacks"? The China Daily source he cited was a response to Anya's post (post #110 in this thread), which has nothing to do with CIA. I think it's very relevant to the question Anya asked, don't you? You may question the credibility of the source, but not the relevance.

Or else? Let me know.

You quote failed to illustrate that Cole has made the claim of CIA's involvement of the current event. If anything, it further supports my statement quoted above. CIA was behind some of the early separatist movement, which has been well documented. Nowadays, its role has been played by other, more subtle organizations, such as NED, and RSF, but that's a different story.

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That's what voting usually tell. I had no idea if Quebec was going to separate in 1995 until I saw the election results, I would have NEVER asserted anything until I saw the result even thought I was born there, I am the same national minority and I grew up there......
So I don't understand how Chinese nationalists can just say "Tibetans don't want to separate" or how anyone says the opposite. All I see is that there must be at least a significant portion to cause riots and to cause the CCP to be so scared of allowing the people to talk about it.

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How else do you want me to respond to a slab of uncited Italian text?
I don't watch CNN

Yeah, again, uncited Italian slab of text, I still don't know what you're expecting. Especially when it doesn't seem to serve anything to Cole's argument with me............


And I saw NOTHING about the CIA in there. If you did, you can quote it directly.

Chinadaily.com is not China daily?


Lol, youtube videos and Google are soooo reliable. I once found out that Atlantinians built the Sphinx on Youtube
Your and/or his claim, thus it's you guys' onus to prove it (hopefully with something a little more viable than a Google search).
I HATE conspiracy theories.

I guess I expected evidence for the biggest and most outrageous claim. I was obviously expecting too much.

So I unexpectably proved that the CIA was behind the separation movement. ROFL I'd like to hear that one.

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Majority? I think you have very deep prejudice against China, if you hadn't ever gone to China and her Tibet Province, please do not make that conclusion.
China has 56 nations, every nation has its own unique culture, some nations have their own language, as you said, should the all the 56 nations be independent?
As we all know US is a multi-culture country having many immigrants, they speak different languages, should they all be independent?
You live in Japan now? I remember that in a thread you told me most Japanese don't support the right-winger groups and support their invasion in WWII, maybe that was right, because you live in Japan, so you know what they are thinking, you could change my prejudice against Japan. But you don't live in CHina, so you still don't know the situation. Have you read the book "Red Star Over China" by Edgar Snow I've recommended? I hope someday you can come to China and Tibet province, you will know you opinion is not right.

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I had no idea if Quebec was going to separate in 1995 until I saw the election results, I would have NEVER asserted anything until I saw the result even thought I was born there, I am the same national minority and I grew up there......
So I don't understand how Chinese nationalists can just say "Tibetans don't want to separate" or how anyone says the opposite. All I see is that there must be at least a significant portion to cause riots and to cause the CCP to be so scared of allowing the people to talk about it.

I've lived in China, it doesn't change a god damn thing.

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Now there are nearly 3 million people live in Tibet province, the thugs in the riot were just a small portion, and as I have said that in other thread, people who really want Tibet's independence are some monks and the descendants of former slave owners and lords, because CCP cracked their feudal serf system of politics and religion and ripped off their ruling privileges as slave owners, they hate Han Chinese and the gov. But as for the majority of Tibetan, their elders were serf liberated by CCP, there is why even now many Tibetan hung the picture of Chairman Mao at home along with god they believe in, they consider Chairman Mao and CCP as the god who saves them. I think if there is really a vote, most Tibetan will select to be a Chinese.

Regarding the control of media by CCP, if you have seen the distorted reports by western media like BBC, CNN and French and German TV etc, what the main western media are doing is just to conceal the truth and mislead western people knowingly! We (Chinese people and gov) are lonely in this invisible war. If no control of media in China, foreign anti-china groups will easily control China's main media by their powerful budget，then with their distorted reports just like that they did now, the whole China would be involved in nation-wide disorder just like that before 1949.

Of course I know the CCP and our gov have a lot of problems like corruption, I also hate that, sometimes i even ask whether CCP can still gain people's support, its has so many bad things now! However, I am a Chinese, I was born here and grew up here, I know China's history and situation, ONLY CCP can keep China's stabilization and unity! Most of Chinses people, at least most people around me, even most of them have complaint about CCP, but they all accept that point!

Western people are alway arrogant of their alleged democracy and freedom, but they forget the bloody history of their original accumulation of the capital, they developed their countries by robbing the wealth from their colonies, they established the so-called democracy and freedom in their countries but implemented massacre and slavery in their colonies. China was ever such a colony! Who beat off all imperialists and liberated all China? US? UK? or Japan? None of them! It is CCP, who is selected by people, established on people and for people! In history CCP was like that, there is why it can grow up from just a small group of dozens of members to liberating the whole China from its powerful rivals. And new China just has a history less than 60 years, her significant achievement comes from the efforts of all Chinese not come from invading and robbing other countries like western countries did. Western people think their social and political system is the best, sure, they have developed and updated their system for hundreds of years, but China has just developed socialism for less than 60 years. We are updating and developing everyday! Could you image the scene after 200 years? I think who should be scared and trembled are not Chinese and CCP!

In the end, I want to say CCP is Chinese people's selection, no matter it is good or bad, and whether CCP is still needed, it is subject to our people to determine eventually! And no matter what party dominates, if it gave in to foreigners and allowed any province to be seperated from the whole China, our peopel will definitely cast down it! Just like we casted down the old China's warlord government before 1949!

Long live of the nations' unity! Long live of the world peace!

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A Tibetan police officer was shot to death by the Tibetan seperatist on April, 28th, the separatists are peace fighters? or criminals and terrorists?





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