I've not made any accusation of Human Rights abuses in PR China; but the very fact that you think I have, is suggesting that there might be, let alone the banning of foreign media from Tibet...

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I thought that I'd made it clear earlier with my justification of our claim on Tibet, but let me clarify. I don't believe in interfering with other ppl's choosing their own form of govt. at all, though I may have value judgment on this in private. But to condemn human rights abuses on one hand, while white-washing slavery and theocracy is hypocritical in my regard.


I was thinking about support from ethnic Chinese ppl, and this is more than evident from the rallies around the globe lately. Do you have any friend that read Chinese? Go to the popular Chinese BBS (whether based in or outside of the PRC) and find out just how angry and what a sense of solidarity felt by the avg joe. Even many Taiwanese came out in support of the torch relay in SF.

All politics is local. Who do you think benefit the most from all these anti-China protests? If I'm a real conspiracy theorist, I would claim that the DL and RSF are secretly financed by the CCP.

Well you did say something about interfering with the Tibetan's chosen form of gouvernment earlier.

I condemn human rights abuses and you got me clearly on that. Did you see me condoning white-washing slavery and theocracy?

Damn, I thought I was going to hear some more of your official PRC stuff. Too bad, it woulda been fun I guess!

Funny. Who do you think benefit the most from all these anti-Western protests?

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You can google and find Gary Wilson easily. Precisely, the right and left have different ideologies are now orchestrating to a common target of attacking China, its economic success, competitiveness, coming out party and to join the world. The book by French tycoon showed Tibetans are happy with the improvements in their way of life. That's 95 percent of Tibetans compared to 5 percent of lamas, lords, exiles, etc.

The world should be patient. Why see a glass half empty instead of half full. Why not recognise the achievements of China and then work from there gradually. The destructive nature of forces opposing China amounts to bullying and can't be all that innocent or benign unless you can prove it.

Most LDCs are chaotic because they could not cope with simultaneous changes. Gorbachev's glasnost failed flopped while China prospered.

China has shown restraint towards the Tibetan rioters and the atmosphere has relaxed over the years. Human rights and intrusion such as eavesdropping and compromising individual freedom on the grounds of security are happening in the west. China is moving forward while US is regressive.

Western countries should stop imposing so-called "democracy" on others because every country has different conditions - historical, social, economic and cultural. Why is US allowed to bend rules to suit its objectives, such as supporting Mujahideen/Taliban who Muslims and far from being democratic, autocratic regimes in the Third world and now Free Tibet who are theocratic. Listen to Cindy. She knows Tibet well.

How would you like it if other countries were to go round supporting underdogs and natives in USA, Canada, Australia to fight for human rights and seccession of Scotland, Ireland from UK, and minorities in Europe? There are plans by native Canadians to protest when the Olympics go there. There are hints that UK is having cold feet and may not have a torch relay when it host the Olympics. Moral of the story : do not do unto others what you would not have them do to you.

The fact is that only USA would invade others' territories, Iraq and Vietnam, with no historical claims whatsoever, but fabricated justifications. The argument that is is champion of democracy is just a facade to satisfy geopolitical, power, economic needs.

That is a very ignorant comment from you since you've stated earlier that Melenchon's stance is pro-Chinese. Melenchon is a political figure in France you know that.

All I can do is telling you that I'm all innocent and benign; but you'd have to believe me on this. Are you ready for it?

I beg to differ. The US hasn't banned foreign media.

No western country is imposing democracy in PR China. This sounds like another conspiracy stuff.

...criticize the ways of France? I'd love it for I could learn a lot out of it. It baffles me that most Chinese posters here can't see that.

Another conspiracy stuff? You should know that the US has not remained in Vietnam and isn't looking forward to making Irak the 52nd State of America. Really it baffles me you coulda thought otherwise.

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That is a fact as clear as broad daylight. Open your eyes, man!

Proof please. Official sources are much welcomed here.

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Ok, so I've been skimming thought this thread and something keeps boggling my mind.......if Cindy6 truely support the idea that governments shouldn't mengle in other people's right for self-governance, how does she explain the situation in Tibet to start with?
In Canada, protests are legal, freedom of speech is wholly (except hate crime --fundamental justice -- which is a different matter) yet I haven't seen a violent protest since 1991 in Oka and even then, it was nothing in the likes of what's going on in China.
Seems to me there must be serious injustice and issues to start mobs. Perhaps it's time for the CCP to concede to the demands of its people. If people want the Dalai Lama, let them. Even if he is the human flesh eating wolf the government likes to pretend he is, censoring him only exacerbate the situation.

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Well, it is hardly a government when the former slaves and serfs rather be under the rule of the Chinese than their former Monk masters.
This is what happens when you allow rioters do whatever they want.

Police cars burned, stores looted in Montreal hockey riot

If they can't act civil, someone have to be put down. Of course, you don't have a problem with people to start mobs.

Perhaps you should go back to my earlier posts? My justification for our claim on Tibet is on historical ground and actual possession. If Tibet was indeed a sovereign nation pre-1950, then it's no one else' business what form of heinous government existed there.